East Clare Research

NEWS BREAK: I have since commenced a separate blog called East Clare Emigrants (click link). I source stories from Trove about emigrants from places in East Clare and do some background research on them. Initially I was only planning to add the news story but I couldn’t help myself and expanded the parameters. I don’t have any more on these families than what I put in the post, unless they’re my own family members, in which case they’ll appear on this blog as well.

One of my major non-family interests is searching the Australian immigration records for people from Broadford, County Clare (Parish of Kilseily) and also from East Clare generally. I’ve defined this area as that roughly east of Ennis and belonging to the Tulla Upper and Tulla Lower Unions. Since many families sent people to both Australia and the USA, I’ve got an interest in the US, though rather more diluted.

I started this research primarily because I couldn’t find the immigration records for my ancestor, Mary O’Brien and her sister Bridget O’Brien who I estimate arrived in Australia circa 1855. They probably both came to Moreton Bay, then in New South Wales. The evidence for this is that Mary married in Ipswich, Qld in 1857. Also when sister Bridget o’Brien Widdup died in the Riverina area of NSW (Urana) her death certificate stated that she had spent one year in Queensland. Oral history tells that they came under employment with a sailing captain and that Mary worked initially in Brisbane.

In the post-Famine years migration from Clare was extensive and Australia with its assisted migration scheme was attractive, possibly more so to those who were accustomed to a rural lifestyle. However while Clare people made up a huge slice of Irish immigrants to Australia, the flow here was a drop in the ocean compared to those heading west to the US and Canada.

With the commencement of the American Civil War, America became a less attractive option and with another depression and food shortages taking effect, Australia became the beneficiary of a major inflow of mainly young Irish men and women. The parish priest of Kilseily parish , Fr John Burke, (based in Broadford) was instrumental in assisting many young emigrants to complete the processes required to come to Australia. As the American Civil War came to an end, the emigration flow to Australia once again diminished. However just as many Australians can lay claim to a little bit of Irish in their family tree, many of these came from County Clare.

I am interested in hearing from anyone who knows their ancestors came to Australia from East Clare, and in particular from those who came from Broadford and its surrounding townlands.

A fabulous site for people with Clare ancestry is the Clare Library site (genealogy and history pages). The indexing is reliable, its free and it has a diversity of information not readily available elsewhere. This library and the local history centre are among my Top Ten family history heroes. Check it out, it’s great! http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm

If you’re lucky enough to visit Clare for family history research make sure you visit the Clare County Library and Archives. But remember to book first if you want to use the Archive resources.

207 thoughts on “East Clare Research

  1. I came across your blog whilst researching the ship ‘Peru’. My great great grandparents came from Germany (maybe Baden) on that ship arriving Syd. 23.05.55. Family members have had no success in finding info on Rodolph Orth – story goes that he died from snake bite on Darling Downs in ’56. Can u please suggest where we can go in Germany to find out more about him. His wife soon married William Callaghan who emigrated on ‘James Pattison’ in 1835 from County Cork. This and next gen. were connected (inside and out) with Jimbour Station.
    cheers lesley

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    1. hi Lesley

      Thanks for your post. I have had a quick look at the Peru records which show that the Orth family came from the Bavarian village of Unteraltenbuch which is not terribly far from both Dorfprozelten and the Baden-Bavarian boundary. Rodolph’s parents are shown as Franz and Elizabeth (both dead) and his wife, Helena’s parents were Peter & Maria Schreck (father dead, mother alive in Unteraltenbuch).They had three sons with them, the youngest being Franz who died on the voyage. As per one of my other replies today, the shipping records available on microfilm are critical to finding out more about your ancestors. Although Rodolf was theoretically to be employed by H G Douglas this appears not to have happened if they wound up in Queensland quite quickly after their arrival.

      A warning note on the maiden surnames of the women on these German ships: I some cases the women obviously reported their names in the traditional way and so the name recorded as the maiden surname is actually the woman’s mother’s maiden name. It is worth keeping this in mind as I have a couple of ins
      tances of this among the Dorfprozelten immigrants. However given she is recorded as Shriek on her son Peter’s birth register, then it is presumably correct.

      I’ve looked up various sources I have here and can find no reference to Rodolph’s death. There are a number of possibilities: 1. he wasn’t identified at the time 2. his death never made it onto the registers 3. he didn’t die but went AWOL etc etc. I have instances of all these in families I’ve researched. It wasn’t unknown for an inquest to be held but the death not to be registered. Despite over 20 years searching I’ve still not found one of my ancestor’s deaths anywhere in Australia -he may have gone elsewhere but it’s all a mystery.

      You will strike problems searching for “Orth” among the online newspapers as it throws up “north” for example. You may need to go back to the old-fashioned method and see if you can read a copy of the Moreton Bay Courier of the time to see if there’s a story about his death…more common than you might think. I would tend to think it likely that he died closer to Helena’s second marriage as many of the Germans who lost spouses remarried quite quickly sometimes within a few months and she did have small children to support. On the other hand, the birth of their son Peter in 1856 in the Warwick district, and no further children, may add some weight to the timeline.

      Hmm another interesting anomaly: the NSW BDM index search shows the Callaghan-Orth marriage as 1857 while the Qld indexes show it as 1859. If it were me, I’d buy both certificates to compare them. It would also be worth contacting the Toowoomba Catholic Diocese to see what information they can provide you with -you will need to give them a donation for the service (a similar amount to the certificate is fair). I have found their records are very useful. They may also be able to tell you what is on Peter’s baptism (these families were very committed about church rites wherever possible).

      Given your interest in the Darling Downs you may be interested in joining the Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family HIstory Society which is excellent. You may also be interested in submitting your ancestors details for their new Pioneer Biographical Register which closes on 31 January 2011. http://www.tddfhs.org/

      Their blog is also very informative: http://tddfhs.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,13/ and includes indexes to the Darling Downs Gazettes.

      Hopefully this will give you some research to follow up. Good luck with the hunt.

      Pauleen

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  2. I have much information on the Nebauer, Umscheid, Dennewald and Hohl families (all my ancestors) happy to send anything to anyone.
    I may be replicating what I have already sent but I am new to this and I don’t know if my comments were posted.
    Monica

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    1. Hi Monica,
      I’ve tried to send you a message via Genforum from a message you posted in 2001 on the O’Brien Family of Cooyal, NSW… but the e-mail bounced!
      If you get this I’m really busting to try & figure out an O’Brien mystery with you.
      Gina Francis in Lismore, NSW

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      1. hi Gina

        Not sure who you’re hoping to find…Monica O’Brien?? Can you pls let me know as I don’t think it’s me. Cheers Pauleen

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    2. I have traced my tree (Dennewald) back to Johann Jeremias Dennewald b. 1685
      but I am always interested in whatever other information I can get.
      My original ancestor, Jacob married Margaretta Hohl 15/8/1848 and arrived in Aust aboard the Catteaux Wattel 12/3/1855 with their two sons Jacob and Rudolph.
      I also have pics of them.
      I am 70 yoa and live in Randwick

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      1. Thanks for dropping by Warwick. It sounds like you’ve had a lot of success with your Dennewald line -there’d be lots of researchers with German ancestry who’ll be jealous, especially of the photos.

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      2. Hi Warwick, I am tracing the Skene family tree which takes me to Jacob and Margaretta Dennewald. I would be interested in any past info on these people and their son Jacob. if you can help

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    3. Hi Monica,
      The Dennewalds married into the Hogan family who came from the same area in Clare. My 1st cousin 2xremoved John Thomas Hogan married Lillian Dennewald in Wybong in 1900.

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  3. Hello,
    I just found your very informative website after discovering my gggreat grandmother was born in Broadford County Clare c. 1839. She married Hugh Charles Munro in Melbourne on 6th August 1860. Her name on the marriage certificate is Ann Quinney – her parents are Michael Quinney, farmer and Catherine Flanagan. She could not write as an ‘x’ is her signature. The problem is her surname as spelling alters with each child born to the marriage – Quiney, Quine, Quincy, Quene, Cooney. I’m guessing that Quinney is the more correct as her husband registered the birth of the children. Unfortunately her death does not appear to have been registered, so I have very little to go on.
    Any suggestions would be very greatly received.
    Thank you very much for your great website and link to the County Clare Library.
    Kind regards,
    Chris

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    1. hi Chris, thanks for your interest. I’ll have a look at some records I have to see if something fits your ggg grandmother. She would have been born within 10 years of my Mary O’Brien. I’ll email you directly. Cheers Pauleen

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    2. hi Chris, Sorry about the delay as I’ve been away. I have had a look at my database with the baptisms from Broadford (which only start in 1844) and can find no record of the couple. I searched under Flanagan in the first instance as it got around the problem of her surname. I’m inclined to think the surname could be Cooney as there are at least some around with that name. I find that you have to try to pronounce the name with an Irish accent to see what it sounds like….not that I have an Irish accent. Do you have any info on her arrival, whether her parents were still alive then or not etc. I don’t suppose there’s any chance she arrived with a sibling as many did? I had the most luck with my O’Briens by (1) oral history and (2) getting details from her sister’s death certificate. Is there any chance her death might have involved an inquest or a hospital/asylum admission. Either of these might give you more info to go on. I will email directly too so you have my email. Good luck with the hunt. The Irish can certainly be elusive. Pauleen

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  4. Informative blog and thanks for the book recommendation. Can you tell me a little more about the assisted migration scheme from East Clare. My family are from Moynoe near Scarriff and nine of the ten children emigrated. Several of these children have the usual discrepancies with ages and birth years and an independent record may help clarify. I am also interested to understand more about the process and how unaccompanied young teenagers might leave.

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    1. My first response was to say that there wasn’t a specific scheme other than the NSW/Qld/Vic assisted immigration scheme.. depending on timeframes. The pre-Separation NSW records are very helpful. What time frame are you looking at? Having said all that, the priest in Broadford was “facilitating” many young Clare people to come to Australia in the early 1860s…long story best done via email so will get in touch.

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      1. I have been looking at 1870s and 1880s. Almost certainly there was a generation of travellers in early to mid 1800s but that’s another story altogether and likely to go untold given state of Irish records for that time.

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  5. Guess what Pauleen? Just discovered my great great great grandfather died in the Tulla Workhouse. The rest of his family emigrated to Queensland in dribs and drabs.

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    1. I was going to say “excellent” but not really when your ancestor died in the workhouse. What was the timeframe? was it the Famine era or before/after? I’d guess one family member (or more) came first and then brought the rest of them. There are a few indexes at QSA that might be helpful depending where they came to in Qld.

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  6. The photo at the beginning of your blog Shouts to me ! River Shannon and the townland of Ballybroughan. Can this be right?
    The family were Burke, Patrick and Bridget, and the story of the eviction, hasty departure, and life in Australia is told in “Not the Bushranger” by L M Burke. Published by Gangara Press, 1 Ocean View Drive, San Remo, Victoria 3925, Australia. A copy is available (I think ) in the Library in Ennis. Also maybe at the East Clare heritage Centre, Tuamgraney.
    L M Burke

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    1. Just to trick you Lorna, the images are rotational but I’m pretty sure which one you mean -water in front and patchwork fields behind. I believe this photo was taken overlooking Lough Derg near Killaloe -or so my notes tell me. However I chose it for my blog, not because of any specific connection to my families, but because it is such a typical Irish scene. Thanks for the tip off on the book about the Burke family. I’m assuming that it’s Ballybroughan, Sixmilebridge? I’m certainly interested in any of the emigrants from the eastern half of Clare so will look it out. Thanks again. Pauleen

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  7. Thanks Cass, for your invitation to County Clare emigrees. My interest is Martin Markham who came to Australia from Quin, above Clooney, County Clare, in 1860. Never been able to find any details on his parents John Joseph Markham or mother Mary (Sullivan) Markham, nor his sisters
    Anne and Mary, and fearful that they lie in a mass grave as victims of the “Diaspora”. John J.
    farmed 13 and half acres at “Toonagh” with his brother or father in law Patt Sullivan. Of course, interested in your German blogs, as Martin’s second wife (his first wife Elizabeth Phelan died in childbirth following the drowning of her youngest son just 2 months before) was Julia Bach whose family was from Neckerhausen, Germany.and came to Australia on the “Catteaux Wattel”. 1855, Christoph was a vinedresser who went to Dr. Alexander Park in Lewisbrook. The story gets sadder and sadder and is for another time. Thanks for all your great info and hope you enjoyed the Congress. Cheers Carol

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    1. Thanks for replying Carol…It’s great to hear from another East Clare emigrant’s descendant. You may be lucky -Quin is on the Family Search microfilm list I’ll email you with how to get there just in case you’re not familiar with it. Sounds like there are some sad stories in your family. I too have found quite a number of German-Irish Catholic marriages. Alexander Park appears regularly in the German immigration employers. Sadly I didn’t get to Congress this year Carol…Canberra in 2015 is my goal.

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      1. Re your comment about Mary O’Brien marrying in Ipswich. It is also possible that she married in the Northern Rivers area of NSW. I have a child baptised in ‘Ipswich’ at that time and it simply means that the Parish of Ipswich was the base of the priest who was on his rounds through the cedar camps at the time. The area was also covered by the Parish of Armidale and there are some interesting stories told by the records from the travels of the Anglican & Catholic ministers back then.

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      2. Thanks Anne…a good tip for anyone with “Ipswich” baptisms/marriages. Yes Fr McGinty and Co covered an awful lot of country on their horse-riding BDM ventures. A number of my Darling Downs baptisms were through Ipswich. However Mary and George were actually married in Ipswich where they resided for some time per both the register and the certificate. (Hence why we old-timers don’t rely on indexes as you know, but others seem not to).

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  8. yes, I noticed an entry from Monica O’Brien & I need to contact her re O’Brien Family from Cooyal, NSW. Can you help at all?

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  9. My “Donoghue” family from the west County Clare immigrated between 1855-1862, through various means: as orphans (nearly adults) and nearby Counties via the Irish Catholic Church, and sponsorship from their siblings(/husbands) to NSW Australia.
    I appreciate you blogs 🙂
    GJ

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    1. hi GJ, Thanks for getting in touch. I was particularly intrigued by your reference to the Catholic Church….how did that work? Was it official or indirect? Were your orphans part of the Famine Orphans? I guess you’ve seen the Famine Orphan memorial website…if not leave a note & I’ll get back to you. Thanks for your support for my blogs
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  10. I’ve just read your blogs with interest and wonder if you have considered other names for the two who can’t be found on the immigration records. My 3x greatgrandmother was an O’Brien either Sarah or Mary. Her husband was a McMahon either Thomas or Michael. Daughter Margaret or Bridget married Patrick Ready (only known as Patrick but spelt surname 3 different ways) in Ballyea south of Ennis and emigrated to Moreton Bay on Argyle in 1852. They lived the rest of their lives around Ipswich. I remember there were 2 O’Brien sisters on records of the voyage and I wondered if they were related. One who came was Bridget age 21. I was told that the other did not come and a cousin I think came in her place so the record is not even for same person. 2 generations further down I have 2 of grandfather’s brothers with 2 sets of names as Irish mother baptized them with one set of names and Scottish father regd birth with another set of names. Luckily an uncle was able to explain my dilemma there with finding names on BMDs that did not fit in with what I knew from family. Grandfather married daughter of another Irish couple and her mother from West Clare also had the 2 different names alternating between Susannah and Johanna. Seems to be a Clare trait to use various names. In the next generation -my mothers – they only used 1 name that I’m aware of but only 1 the youngest of 6 went by the first name given at birth. There is also the possibility of incorrect transcription in indexes. I’ve recently noticed the son of Patrick and Bridget (Margaret) Ready is incorrectly called Norman on an online index but there is only the one family on the voyage and I had researched that immigration record from original shipping records in Sydney long before indexes were available online so wasn’t affected by that mistake.

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    1. Hi Carmel, Yes I’ve wondered if they’ve come under someone else’s name, which is certainly a possibility. I feel they may be related to an O’Brien family also from Ipswich, Winifred and Daniel O’Brien. Their adult children had a lot to do with my Mary O’Brien Kunkel’s family over the decades and my gut tells me there’s a connection. I just can’t get to the bottom of it, and I’ve been on it for decades (well before the internet came along). The Argyle entries got my attention a long time ago but eventually eliminated them as the right ones -can’t immediately recall why but there was a good reason. I had hopes of another pair on a ship to Tasmania but again that didn’t turn out right either. Weird about all your different names…do you suppose it may have been a clerk mis-hearing what they were told eg Mary/Sarah or Johannah or Susannah?

      Thanks so much for getting in touch Carmel. I’m going to reflect further on your comment to see if any more ideas come to me. Pauleen

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      1. Hi l am also researching a Mary Ann Obrien (father was either Garrett or Terrence? mother likely McDonagh?) who hailed from Kilfenora Clare b. 1832? m Michael McMahon also from Kilfenora (His father was Patrick mother was kate Lyddy or Liddy)
        They lived on the Victorian goldfields Hardies Hill Ballarat and had about 6 children They’re transcript states 13/06/57 for either marriage or arrival to Australia they purchased land at Tongala Victoria and died shortly afterward around 1877/78 could they be related? Regards Jenny Fry

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  11. Hi there. I know you all seem to be trying to trace relatives that emigrated from Ireland to Australia, but mine came to South Africa. I have a James Carney born about 1834 from Broadford, County Clare and he came over on the “Tudor” with a Patrick and Catherine Carney (nee Shaughnessy). My great great grandmother was Bridget Carney born about 1843 who came over to Patrick in Feb 1861on the Coldstream II to Port Elizabeth, South Africa. I have looking everywhere but can’t seem to find them. All help will be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks Patty

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    1. Hi Patty, I’m more than happy to hear from Broadford families wherever they’ve ended up. You have quite a bit of info but I’m not sure whether you’re looking for more info on their births/marriages or their emigration. It’s interesting because both the Tudor and the Coldstream ring loud bells for me in terms of the Broadford emigrants to Australia. Can you please clarify what you’re looking for? Thanks for dropping by, I’m very happy to hear from you. Pauleen

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  12. Thanks for getting back to me so promptly. I’m trying to find births or baptisms mainly for Bridget. They were all Roman Catholics as her marriage and all her children’s baptism were recorded in St Augustine’s Catholic Church in Port Elizabeth. On James Carney’s Death Notice it shows his parents as Michael and Mary Carney (nee McNaughton). I’m not sure if Patrick, James and Bridget are siblings or cousins. Other Carney’s that came over with Bridget were Edmond and John. I am convinced that they are all related because all these names are mentioned as witnesses at Bridget’s children’s baptisms.

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    1. hi Patty, the problem you have is that the church records for Catholics do not commonly go back to that era and certainly not for Broadford which only commence in 1844. On top of which the first couple of years the registers are tremendously difficult to read and close to illegible. I looked at them in detail as part of my project and have just checked them. I have no baptism for Bridget Carney. With James you’re in an even trickier situation as he’s born well before the surviving registers (as was my Mary O’Brien). I also checked my database for Tudor and Coldstream but no Carneys. It did occur to me that you might also find the name spelled in a different way eg Kearney, again no joy. You can order the film from the LDS church to a family history library of the church near you. Here are the details: Baptisms, January 1844-December 1880; and marriages, February 1844-November 1880. Family History Library BRITISH Film 979694 Item 3

      In terms of my database what I have are a couple of Carney marriages, mainly, which I’ll include in case they mean something to you.
      26 11 1859 John Carney Cragg Clare Judith Kinnealy Cragg (marr)
      12 7 1857 John Carney Kyle Clare Margt Madigan Kyle? (Marr)
      4 1844 Denis Carney Michael Carney Kileagy Judith Bonadan? (bapt)
      4 2 1845 Patt Carney Clare Nansy Kwan (Marr)
      3 1853 Margaret Carney Patk Carney Kilbane Anne Keevan Kilbane (bapt)
      16 6 1853 Pat Carney Kilbane Clare Bridt Darcy Kilbane? (marr)
      25 2 1859 Patk Carney P Newmarket Clare Mary Kenwick Woodfield (marr)
      8 7 1844 Ellen Carnighan John Carnighan Judy Mulwheeny (bapt)

      Have you looked at the Clare Library website for the Griffith Valuations etc? If not this is the link and it’s well worth having a major exploration. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/griffiths/griffithc.htm

      There is also a Facebook page now for people with Clare ancestry -You may wish to put an enquiry out there to see if anything knows any info on the Carneys from Broadford -I wouldn’t pin my hopes on baptisms because of the timelines. Here’s the link https://www.facebook.com/groups/countyclare/

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      1. Hello, I’ve been researching Carnighan ancestors, and I noticed you listed an “Ellen and John Carnighan” in this post. I just wanted to confirm that these names were accurate and wondered if there were any more Carnighans from County Clare. Thanks

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      2. hi Patrick, thanks for visiting. I have no other info on Carnighans I’m afraid except the baptism of Ellen (note she was the daughter, not the wife). I suggest you follow the links I provided in that comment as you may have more luck on the Clare Library website or the Clare Facebook site. Happy researching. Pauleen

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    2. Hi Patty, check out the Carneys on the Tithe Applotments per Clare Library. There is a Michael Carney in Killokennedy which combines with the parish of Kilseily in the Broadford parish registers.

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      1. Indeed, that is always the problem..perhaps look into whatever oral history you’ve inherited. I wouldn’t put all your money on either spelling as in previous years, especially when literacy levels were variable, the spelling of surnames changed a lot, even among the clergy recording marriages/baptisms. So Kearney could well be an option. Don’t forget Broadford is in the Limerick Union and so perhaps they gravitated there. The Limerick workhouse records are online and might be worth a look…search my blog for it as I’ve posted previously.

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  13. Thanks Pauleen, will look into that. On the Aided Immigration to the Cape, the name is spelt Kearney but on the Death Notices it’s spelt Carney and James son signed his DN as Michael Carney, so I presume it is Carney and not Kearney. Another thing I think that the family could of moved around. There is a John that came over with Bridget and opposite his name on the records it shows that he was from Limerick. So who knows! I just wish I could find something on them.

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  14. My ggrandmother , Mary Hayes, was born in Broadford in 1837. She married Robert Taylor,( born near Doonass, Clare 1837) in Ballarat in 1856.This is oral family history, would love to know if any records confirm these birth dates. My grandfather, Michael O’Brien, came from Scarriff and arrived in Adelaide in 1857. His siblings,Mary, Cornelius ,Bridget ,Margaret, Martin and John also emigrated to Adelaide, as did his widowed mother, Bridget (in 1859). I would love to find any record of the death in Clare of her husband, Cornelius. My ggrandfather, Patrick Shelton, was born c 1845 (at Aharina near Limerick). So, you see, I have a great deal of East Clare blood!
    Gabrielle

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    1. The Scarriff registers, available through LDS Church, are too late to be of any use to you: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/223427. Also Doonass & Trugh (Kiltantanlea) https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/229887 (again too late a time range)

      Burials are rarely covered in the Catholic parish registers and his death (assuming he was Catholic) is too early for civil registration.

      The Griffith Valuations are your best bet & the following come from the Clare Library site:
      O’Brien Cornelius Derrywillin Feakle Scarriff
      O’Brien Cornelius Knockalisheen Feakle Scarriff
      O’Brien Cornelius Magherabaun Feakle Scarriff

      You can also order in the GV microfilms via the LDS church to look at, and if you were sure which one was him you could see from the notations on it when he likely died as it the revisions books note when the land is transferred to the next owner. You can see the available microfilms here https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/135700

      It seems likely that he was still alive when they were assessed and that Cornelius died close-ish to 1859 when Bridget emigrated, but otherwise perhaps the children’s migration dates might help as well. Does her death certificate add information to what you know?

      You definitely do have lots of East Clare ancestry and I was interested to see how many went to Adelaide in this time frame.

      Another place which might be able to help you is the East Clare Heritage Group at http://eastclareheritage.com/.

      Hope some of this is helpful and thanks for getting in touch.

      Cheers

      Pauleen

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    2. Hi Gabrielle, Me again. Do you know the names of Mary Hayes’s parents. I have some baptisms recorded for Broadford but they’re only available after 1844. Pauleen

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      1. Hi Pauleen,
        Thanks for all your advice. Mary Hayes’s parents were Martin Hayes and Johannah Hickey. And Bridget O’Brien’s death certificate had very little info on it ( I find the South Australian certificates much less informative than those of other states). Thanks again,
        Gabrielle

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      2. I notice that in the Griffith Valuations for Broadford (parish Kiseily) there are two Martin Hayes listed, one in Drumsillagh (Sallybank) and one in Kyle townland. You may already know this. How annoying about the SA certificates _I haven’t any experience with them.

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  15. Mine would probably be the Sallybank Martin, as that is where my ggrandmother always said (to her children) that she was born.

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    1. hi Gabrielle, If you’re interested it would be worth looking at the Griffith Valuation revision films to learn more about when Martin died and who took over the land, but you may have done that already. Cheers Pauleen

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  16. Hello, Pauleen …

    I was so glad to find your blog that mentions Broadford in County Clare. 🙂 I am currently researching my family history and was very disappointed to learn that the records for County Clare have not yet been digitized and made available online.

    I’m wondering if you might have come across any mention of my family during your own exploration of the Broadford records? According to our family members who came to America from Ireland, we are descended from the McMahon and McDonald families of Broadford.

    Michael McDonald m. Mary McMahon

    Their children were …

    Patrick McDonald b.1807
    Catherine McDonald b.1820 m. Michael Flanagan (he died in Ireland) Children: Patrick Flanagan b.1842, Mary Ann Flanagan b.1845
    Dennis McDonald b.uncertain
    James McDonald b.1832

    These birth dates are approximations.

    Patrick, Catherine, Dennis and James McDonald all arrived in the United States between 1848 and 1854.

    Catherine’s children, Patrick and Mary Ann Flanagan, arrived sometime during the 1850’s.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you so much,

    Kate

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    1. hi Kate, a point I make quite regularly is that there’s a great deal that’s out there, still undigitised. Unfortunately a lot of advertising suggests that it’s all there like fruit on the tree which isn’t the case. In fact Broadford’s parish records are available on microfilm via the LDS (Mormon) church and can be ordered online to be read at at family history centre near where you live, in all likelihood. You just search the familysearch website’s catalogue and then order the film. Unfortunately we are all subject to the constraint of what records still exist and in the case of Broadford, the parish registers only commence in 1844 and are quite difficult to read in the early years (blurred etc).

      My notes suggest that Mary Flanagan was baptised on 19 November 1844 to Michl Flanagan and Cath McDonell (sic). The witnesses were Cath Donnell and Patk Jordan. There may be another child Margaret born in 1847 to Michael and Catherine though the surname I have written for her is not McDonnell/McDonald and this was because I couldn’t decipher it properly.

      The births to Michael McDonald/McDonnell and Mary McMahon would be before the registers commence.

      I strongly suggest you order the microfilm in so you can peruse it yourself as it may reveal other facts about the family eg as witnesses to other baptisms. I have just had a quick look at my own notes. There are also some other possibilities of marriages eg Patrick McDonnell and Mary McMahon. That’s also a large, but necessarily impossible, gap between the ages of the four McDonalds you list.

      Pauleen

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    2. Hi! I have a great great grandmother named Mary Ann Elizabeth Flanigan that would have been born around 1863. She was left at an orphanage in St. Louis, MO at the age of 4 by her brothers who went out in the world to “find their riches” and promised to return. They never came back, and she never knew who her family was, or even what her brother’s names were. All we know is her estimated birth year and her name from orphanage records. She was most likely born in Ireland and traveled over. That’s how the story goes, anyway. One notable thing to mention is that the orphanage records show when each girl was baptized, except for Mary, implying that she must have already been baptized prior to her coming to the orphanage. I saw your Mary Flanigan and while they don’t seem to be the same person, I was interested in seeing if you would be able to help. Thank you!

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    3. Hi Kate

      Just a thought – have any of your McDonnell/McDonald’s had their DNA tested? My husband has and he is from a McDonnell family that has Broadford/Kilsiely County Clare roots via his mother’s side of the family – details in another post in this thread. We know that the earliest male McDonnell ancestor (so far) was a George McDonnell (b abt 1766) & his mother was Eliza Taylor. George had 3 sons, Charles (died unmarried), George (my husbands ancestor) & Patrick – all born about 1889 onwards. The names in your line are similiar to the ones in my husbands family so perhaps a DNA test would either indicate a relationship or rule one out?
      Linda

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  17. YES!! You have found the right family, Pauleen. The reason that I am certain is because I had forgotten to include Catherine McDonald’s third child, Margaret, when I wrote to you last night. I know only that Margaret died in Ireland. I am very excited that you have been able to find Catherine’s family in your notes. Thank you so much for taking the time to check for me.

    There do appear to be some discrepancies in the range of ages between Patrick/Catherine/James/Dennis McDonald. We have never been certain of Dennis’ age, since it changed greatly from census to census. It seems unlikely, if not impossible, that there would be such a wide spread in birth years unless they had different mothers. There has also been some doubt as to whether their surname was McDonald or McDonnell while they lived in Ireland. In America, they consistently used McDonald. It is very interesting that you have found them recorded in Ireland as McDonnell’s. I’m wondering if those who recorded the parish records in Ireland might have been more precise than the enumerators who recorded names on the U.S. census forms. Our census records are often riddled with spelling errors and other discrepancies. I find myself continually comparing one record against another in order to verify accuracy.

    Patrick, Catherine, James and Dennis made new lives for themselves here in America, settling on a small island in Lake Michigan that was both beautiful and wild. The stories of their lives were dramatic, each with its own measure of success and heartbreak. I am looking forward to discovering more about them during the earlier chapters of their lives while they still lived in Ireland. I know very little about that time but have recently found a long forgotten clue about their past. I’m wondering if you have ever heard of an Englishman named Lord Wilson? I have found a record indicating that Patrick and Dennis worked on an estate that he owned, most likely during the 1830’s – 1840’s.

    Again, I want to thank you for responding to my message. I appreciate your time and excellent suggestions.

    And I’m so happy to meet another descendant of a Broadford family, Pauleen.

    Sincerely,

    Kate

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    1. hi Kate, I wouldn’t place too much faith in the Irish recorders being more exact as I’ve frequently found variations in spellings even by the same priest. However I think in Clare it’s much likelier that they were indeed McDonnell not McDonald (after all, more a Scottish name). Perhaps it was recorded McDonald on their arrival so they just stuck with it, or perhaps it was because it was less Irish, given the prejudice against the Irish immigrants.

      I don’t know of Lord Wilson but if the men worked on his estate I suggest you look at the Griffith Valuations on either the Clare Library site (see my web page list) or this one http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/. If you were really lucky there might be estate records in the National Library of Ireland for his estate.

      I was reading the parish registers again last night & they really are extremely difficult to document accurately due to blotting down one side or the other of pages etc etc. I think on further look that the second baptism I mentioned did have the mother’s name as McDonnell though it was initially difficult to read. The witnesses were Martin and Mary McMahon. It would probably still be worth while you ordering in the film and looking at it for your own assessment.

      Is there any possibility there’s a mistake with the names and that there was confusion over the McDonnell/McMahon parents’ names?

      Pauleen

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    2. Good morning Kate – I am a descendant of the Dennis McDonald you mention from Washington Island, WI…would love to share more info and learn more about what you have learned.

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  18. Hi, Pauleen …

    The latest lead in my search for the McDonald/McDonnell family of Clare is an entry in the County Clare Tithe Appointment Books. The list of “Occupiers of Land in the Parish of Kilseily, 13th August 1827” includes an entry for “McDonnell, Mich’l, Woodfield & Kiladerry” in Kilseily.

    The time is right. The name is right. But is the place right? Our family lore recalls only Broadford, so can this be the correct match? …

    And here is another interesting clue to compare with this discovery: the Clare County Library has posted a document online entitled “Census Search Forms, 1841 & 1851”. According to that document, a search of those census records was made for Mary Ann Flanagan, the other daughter of Catherine McDonald/McDonnell Flanagan. Two places were listed for the search: Broadford Town, Kilseily and Kilkishen Town, Clonlea. When I examine a map of the area, I can see that the location of “Woodfield & Kiladerry” lies right in between!

    It is also interesting that the census search for Mary Ann Flanagan in Broadford and Kilkishen was not successful; no records were ever found. Perhaps the reason that no records were found is because the wrong location was being searched.

    It appears that my next step should be to look for a census or parish record for Woodfield/Kiladerry. I know very little about parishes and towns in Ireland. Do you happen to know if Woodfield and Kiladerry are two separate towns and might each have kept its own records? If you have any ideas, I would appreciate hearing your suggestions.

    I am grateful to be living in an era when we are able to conduct research online. Thank you so much for all of your work, Pauleen, to transcribe documents and share your findings with the rest of us as we search for our families across oceans and centuries.

    This is an exciting journey!

    Kate

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    1. hi Kate, Killaderry and Woodfield are both townlands in the parish of Kilseily, for which the main town is Broadford and both townlands are within a kilometre or so of the town. You can read about townlands on the Clare Library website. The Tithe Applotments are a possibility but that’s all really…the inclusions are more limited than for the Griffith Valuations which is why the latter is much more useful to you than the TA IF your ancestor did not die before the assessments took place. You don’t really know when Michael McDonnell died nor indeed Michael Flanagan and either could have died throughout the Famine or later, or earlier, though you have a limitation on Flanagan because of the last child’s birth in 1847.

      I really would look at ordering in the film for the GV for Kilseily to see whether you can pin them down that way. For example the GV has a Catherine Flanagan at Killaderry (O’Brien) (a townland). This might well be your Catherine and would make her husband’s death between 1847 and 1852. As an example my own Michael O’Brien MAY be the one listed at Killaderry (O’Brien) as well as Ballykelly but I just don’t know…the only reason to think it’s possible is that one of his daughters settled there with her husband.

      It would also be worth a full exploration of their immigration dates because that too will give you a time frame to consider as well.

      There are only rare fragments surviving of the 1841/51 census. Although I couldn’t see the references you were mentioning, the names listed are those who applied for an Irish pension from 1908 (read the sidebar on that page of the Clare Library site). At the time of the applications people could submit their reference details and the old census records would be searched. Unfortunately they’re not longer in existence and these pension applications are mostly all that survives, with minor exceptions. My own 2xgreat grandmother’s sister is not listed even though I know she was still alive in Ireland at the time, was poor and was also alive in 1841/1851.

      In addition to ordering in the GV microfilms per my earlier responses, I’d suggest it would be worthwhile for you to buy or borrow a good reference book on researching Irish family history. It’s not impossible to do, and you are ahead of many knowing where they came from, but it seems that there are knowledge gaps that such a book might assist with.

      In terms of people citing place names, I’ve often referred to how we ourselves would state where we come from. For example, to you living in the States I might say I’m an Australian, to an Aussie I might say I live in the Northern Territory or that I was born in Queensland. I might mention the town where I was born, the suburb I grew up in (sort of the equivalent for the Irish of a townland). In their case they might add the nearest large or market town (eg Broadford), the parish to which they belong (eg Kilseily or Killaderry, both of which are tied to Broadford), the townland they came from, or perhaps a major estate they worked on. That all presupposes that they are being entirely honest because I’ve seen at least some where it suited them to give a slightly different response.

      So Killaderry and Woodfield both fit with Broadford BUT is that necessarily the correct selection? Any parish records for them (baptisms/marriages) would be included in the Kilseily records unless for some reason the family had ties to another parish, but even that’s less likely. The further dilemma is that with the early parish entries the priest does not note which townland the couple come from whereas later he does add this information for both parents and witnesses. Also you need to keep in mind that with your family the period you’re looking at is across the time of the Famine when the priests were incredibly busy looking after their parishioners, and the priest in Broadford, Fr John Burke was very assiduous in this regard.

      While I haven’t specifically addressed your family questions I hope this is helpful to you. I can only reiterate that not research can be done online although there’s much online that can be helpful. It is important to read around the topics, either by book or online, to know more about the circumstances and also what records might be available, their benefits and limitations.

      A further point, it is definitely worth looking at the American or even Canadian records (given your family’s location ), to see which of Catherine’s children emigrated with her. It’s unlikely, to my mind, that she’d have left such small children behind indefinitely though I have to admit it’s also not impossible.

      Cheers Pauleen

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    2. Hi Kate I suspect this question (as you note above in 2013) has long been responded to however, if like me you keep an occasional eye on the various forums you use – perhaps this will get to you. Just to say that my husband’s family on his mother’s side are McDonnell’s from Broadford/Kilseily and cousins still live in the area. My husband has done his DNA which is on a number of databases – if you have any of your McDonnell’s that have done theirs, let me know and perhaps we can see if there is a link between your McDonnell’s and my husband’s. Let me know if this is of interest and if so, we can work out how to take that further.

      Linda (Canadian, in the UK – researching in Ireland!)

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  19. Hello, Pauleen … Thank you again for all of your help. I have been very busy studying Irish history and old maps since we last wrote. I believe that I have found “Lord Wilson’s Estate” that was mentioned in a set of notes that I found. There is a place called Belvoir that was once occupied by David Wilson, Esq. It is located about 8 km. southwest of Broadford, even
    less as the crow flies. I have sent you a message through facebook that was delivered to your “Other” folder and have also joined the County Clare facebook group. I’ll look forward to seeing you there!

    Sincerely,

    Kate (a/k/a Kathi)

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    1. hi Kate/Kathi, glad you’re having some success with your research. Yes Belvoir rings bells with me. Do try the Nat Lib of IRL to see if they have anything on the estate in their manuscripts catalogue. I can’t see the message you sent on FB -will have to look again. Maybe easier to connect via Clare group? Cheers Pauleen

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  20. Hello, I’m afraid I don’t have a whole lot of details to go on so I’m kinda clutching at straws but desperate to get more info on my relative/s from Co Clare. Unlike the majority, my distant relative emigrated from Ireland to the Cape, South Africa. Her married name was Mary Cooney (don’t know her maiden name) and was born in 1802 and died 31/10/1903. She also had a daughter called Mary born 1853 who married a Thomas Healy. Like I said not too much to go on and disappointing that I can only find emigration records to Australia and US, so any info whatsoever would be greatly appreciated!

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    1. hi Brendon, I know from naught about emigration to South Africa so I can’t help I’m afraid. Did they have any details on her death certificate -I have seen a SA version and it was quite full of details so that might help. Perhaps she was taken there as a servant with someone else (unless she herself was well off)? In which case you’d be looking for their names in a newspaper report as she may not even be listed. Have you visited or checked websites for any major reference library or archive in South Africa? They’d be the best to help you. There is also a County Clare Facebook page for those with Clare ancestry. You just might find someone on there who’s had experience with SA. The link to FB is https://www.facebook.com/groups/countyclare/…just ask to join and they’ll welcome you with open arms. Also do look at the Clare Library website but you’ll really don’t know much to go on when you don’t even know her maiden name which you will get nowhere without. I’d definitely start with her marriage certificate and death certificate, especially if both are in South Africa. She certainly lived to a good age.

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      1. Hi Brendon I live in South Africa and my ancestors also came over with the Aided Immigration to the Cape in 1861. Do you perhaps know where she settled when she she got here? My Kearney’s settled in Port Elizabeth and I managed to get quite a bit of information from the Catholic Church there. Please Email me pattym@frontlineum.co.za and maybe I could be of some help. Regards Patty

        Sent from my iPad

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      2. Hi Pauline

        I’m going through some genealogy websites from South Africa and have found a gravestone for Mary Cooney. Do you perhaps have an email address for Brendon. I’m sure he would be very excited.

        Kind regards

        Patty (I am the one that was looking for the Kearney/Carney family from Broadford who also came to South Africa)

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      3. Hi Pauline, me again

        I have found a record of her death. Maiden name was O’Callaghan. Please forward my email onto him

        From: Patty Myers [mailto:pattym@frontlineum.co.za] Sent: 23 April 2013 12:48 PM To: ‘Family history across the seas’ Subject: RE: [New comment] Broadford and East Clare emigrants to Australia

        Hi Pauline

        I’m going through some genealogy websites from South Africa and have found a gravestone for Mary Cooney. Do you perhaps have an email address for Brendon. I’m sure he would be very excited.

        Kind regards

        Patty (I am the one that was looking for the Kearney/Carney family from Broadford who also came to South Africa)

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      4. hi Patty, Sorry I had forgotten for the moment about your South African Irish. I’m glad you can help Brendan and will send your email on to him as requested, given he may not notice the comments. Thanks!! Pauleen

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    2. Hi Brendon
      I have found a death record for Mary Cooney. Her maiden name was O’Callaghan. I have also found a headstone for her and her children. They were all buried in the South End Cemetery in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. No mention of a husbands name though.

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  21. Hi Pauleen
    Ive sent you a message on FB but then i found this blog and i just had to put a message up.

    I am living in Co Clare. I am actually from a village 4 miles from Broadford called O’Callaghans Mills!
    Anyway…My O’Brien search starts with Michael O’Brien who married Catherine(Kate)Reddan on the 24th Feb 1857 in Scarriff. They lived in Caherhurley Bodyke and had 6 Children

    Mary 15/12/1857 – Went to Australia
    John 31/01/1860 – who is my ggGrandfather
    Matthew 22/03/1862 – Went to Australia
    Margaret 21/04/1864 – ?
    Catherine(kate) 05/01/1868 – sadly passed away 25/02/1897
    Ellen 27/06/1872 – ?

    I have only just started searching the family tree and i really have no idea how to start searching for info on Matt or Mary…Matt either came home or sent money home and had the headstone on the family grave erected… (in the church grounds where the East Clare Heritage building is actually)… as it says Erected by Matthew O’Brien of Perth West Australia in loving memory of his parents… if you can help or if anyone you have met along your way could help id be thrilled..
    Ive seen a photo of Matt and Mary they sent home to John letting him know they were well and also a photo of Matt with 2 sons i think…so their def should be a branch growing away down under!!!

    I would also love to know Michaels brothers and sisters names..Parents if possible and the same for Kate Reddan..

    Records are very hard to come by!! we always thought Michael who came from Ballyvannon married into the Reddan farm in Caherhurley so i just went to Bodyke to search the church records but no sign of the marriage there only their list of children but i found the marriage in Scarriff. And there was no info on any other Reddan’s i was told…There is a book written by Gerard Madden ‘A History of Tuamgraney & Scarriff – Since Earliest Times’ published in 2000 which i must get. i have only just heard that two Reddan sisters married two O’Brien brothers and that the Reddan’s moved to Scarriff from Limerick the father opened up a “Mill” of some sort i still have to get over to Tuamgraney to check this out.

    I have made contact with Barbara Clare O’Brien (Victoria) who by the way is def connected to that lady Gabrielle Finn who wrote you here on the 9th March 2013….these two ladies are connected to me… siblings of Michael O’Brien…i know the O’Briens still living in Ballyvannon so if anyone needs help contacting them!!!!

    Fingers crossed you can help me fill in the blanks…
    Kindest Regards
    Anne Marie O’Brien

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    1. hi Anne Marie

      Good to hear from you -I know where O’Callaghan’s Mills is. Frustratingly our families are not related despite the similarity of the names. I had been in touch with Barbara previously but remiss in not writing for somme time.

      I will reply further via email.

      Pauleen

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    2. Hi Anne Marie or Pauleen, I am researching the McGennis family of Iragh near O’Callaghan Mills and from Feakle, over the past 25 years. Related families are Noonan, Tuohy and Lynch. I have been to OCM and visited McGuinness’ still in Feakle. If I left my email, I would love to hear from anyone researching OCM related families – claremcg@netspeed.com.au
      Clare McGuiness

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      1. hi Clare, I will pass on your message to Anne Marie. You might be interested in my new blog called “East Clare Ancestors” at http://eastclareoz.wordpress.com/. It will include random information I come across on my “travels”. I’d also welcome guest posts by people who want to share a story about their ancestors from East Clare, where they went and what happened to them.

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      2. Hi Clare. Richard here. Some of my lines came from O’Callaghansmills and Tulla. They included:
        Thomas Quinlivan b 1824 and his family. Thomas married Catherine McInerney about 1846. Several of his children (including my great GM, Catherine Mary Quinlivan b 1859 O’Callagansmills) emigrated to Victoria in the 1870s.
        In addition to the Quinlivan’s and McInerney families other Clare emigrants in my lines include Mary Grimes b 1820 and possibly from Scarriff;
        Happy to share any information if mine is relevant to anyone. A great book about Irish emigrants to Australia is Farewell my Children by Richard E Reid.
        My email address is finlib10@bigpond.net.au
        Cheers Richard

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    3. Hi Anne Marie

      Since some time has passed since this post I am hoping you may have more info on the Reddan family. My husbands family (McDonnell) are from Broadford and they have a distant connection to the Reddan’s as Mary Reddan married Jack (John?) Purcell in 1811 and they had a daughter Catherine who married a George McDonnell in 1842. This makes Mary Reddan my husbands ggg grandmother. I have some info on the Reddan family but I am sure it is incomplete and would love to know if you have found any more into. On the face of what you have said, I can not at this stage find any connection between the families, but all the names you list are also names within the McDonnell family – tenuous but who knows??

      Would love to hear from you if you think there may be some value in comparing notes.

      Linda

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      1. Hi Linda,
        I just came across your post while researching Mary Reddens family. Mary Redden, born 1789, from Tuamgraney, County Clair, Ireland, is my 4X great grandma and she married John Purcell, who was born in Cahir, County Clair, Ireland. I am currently trying to find out who Marys parents etc were…
        Would love to hear from you if you have any new info’

        Kind regards,
        Rose

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  22. HI Pauleen,

    Just to throw my two bobs worth in, Perhaps one of your followers can shed some light on my question if my ancestors are no related to yours.My question is where in Clare did my 2cnd great grandfather come from and who were his parents? And how did he come to be sponsored by Henry Anstey

    What I have is:
    Patrick O’Brien arrived on the Panama into Hobart on the 27 April 1853 he arrived with his wife Mary Mackey and Patricks sister’s children Mary 13 and Bridget 11, all RC from County Clare.They were sponsored by Henry Anstey of Anstey Barton..

    All above is substantiated. Unsubstantiated is a place of birth being New Quay.

    Any light would be appreciated

    Thanks Justin

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    1. Hi Justin, after six weeks or so offline my light is also on dimmer 😉 Have you checked the Immigration Deposit Journals available at most state libraries and also family history societies. I may have them on my database but will look in the next day or so. Let’s hope it brings some illumination 🙂

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      1. Hi Pauline and all you other East Clare researchers
        I am descended from several families from that area: Millane Markham, O’Neil, Flynn/O’Flynn, Malone, Maloney, amongst others. I realise that, apart from Markham, these are not amongst those names you have been discussing. however, they are the ones I’m interested in.
        Markham is of particular interest: John Markham, born 1835 in East Clare, emigrated to Australia around 1860 and married Mary O’Neil, also born in Clare 1843, in Melbourne in 1863. I can’t definitively fine their arrival in the colony.

        I have photos of both John and Mary. John falls off the record around 1895 but I have Mary’s death cert, 1913.

        Anyone interested in this line is welcome to get in touch.

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      2. hi Brian, will let you know if anyone is in touch about this. Want to check on a Sydney Markham. Thanks for commenting and visiting.

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  23. Hi Pauline and Ann Marie. Just discovered your blog and read it from start to finish. I too have ancestors (Catherine Quinlavin) from O’Callaghansmills who came to Australia in the 1870s. Also several other (including Mary Grimes a 20 year old bounty immigrant from Scarriff who arrived around 1840 into Sydney). I wanted to post this initial note before getting my data together to post a more detailed comment. I visited East Clare, including Tuamgraney, during October so it is exciting to find this blog site with so many further ideas and contacts. Best Wishes Richard.

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    1. hi Richard, great to hear from you! I’ll bet you had a great time in East Clare exploring Tuamgraney and O’C Mills…it’s a lovely area. I would love to hear further from you about Catherine and Mary and to hear their story. Look forward to it! Pauleen

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      1. Hi Cassmob. I’m embarrassed because I returned to the blog for the first time in months and noticed your response to my Nov post. Sorry I didn’t reply. I missed it totally. Will drop a more detailed response tomorrow when things are a little less hectic. Cheers
        Richard

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      2. Hello Pauline. Apologies for the delay in adding to the comments. I have made some progress in hunting for information on my Quinlivan ancestors from OC Mills and Tulla. As I said my g grandmother (Catherine Mary Quinlivan b May 1859 OC Mills ) arrived in Melbourne in 1978. Catherine was the 5th daughter of Thomas Quinlivan and Catherine McInerney. Thomas later married Johanna Hayes. A lot of Thomas’s children emigrated to Australia and some to North America. I have found a lot of information through letters between my Mother and other Australian Quinlivans and so have a lot of info about the lines in Australia. I’d be very interested in following up Catherine McInerney. Unfortunately other than an estimated birth year of about 1820; the fact that she was married to Thomas Quinlivan and the names and baptism dates of her 10 children I don’t have any information about her and where she hailed from. Yesterday I discovered a connection to the McInerneys through Daniel Charles Quinlivan who emigrated to Cleveland in the US. He was a son of Johanna Hayes and Thomas Quinlivan; a step brother of Catherine Mary Quinlivan. It is amazing how the web helps us make connections.

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      3. hi Richard, sounds like you’re making great progress with your research. It might be worth ordering in the film of O’Callaghan’s mills marriages to see if it tells you more (assuming you haven’t done that already) https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/222731?availability=Family%20History%20Library.

        You’re right that the internet makes it so much easier to make connections as people search for their family names. You might be interested to know that I’ve started a new blog: East Clare Emigrants http://eastclareoz.wordpress.com/. It’s drawing on Trove notices from which I build a brief biography based on what I can figure out. the selections don’t follow particular families so it’s mainly for interest.

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    2. Hi Richard gonna jump on the lovely Pauleen’s blog again…
      Thanks for the message i only just came on it .
      There are still Quinlavins living in O C Mills did you happen to get in contact with any of them? A great site on Face Book is COUNTY CLARE IRELAND GENEALOGY and IRELAND http://www.irelandxo.com could help you too.
      Pauleen is a great mine of info too she’s been at this digging around game a while.and im sure she wont mind giving you any help ❤ 🙂
      Best of luck… Anne Marie

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      1. Hi Pauline. Thanks for your reply. Haven’t made contact with any of the “cousins” in O’Callaghansmills but would like to. We drove through last year on holidays which was good. Hope to head back again next year and tour and research through Clare. Cheers R

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  24. 1860 Stanleys from county Clare came to South Australia to farm land in the mid north Wandearah and called the property ‘Lauriston’ after my grandfather Laurence Stanley

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  25. Hi Pauleen,
    A bit of serendipity at play here. I was following up on your blog post for Congress 2015 (I am managing the web content for Congress), when I saw you have an interest in Broadford, Clare. My McMahon family are from Tulla. My ggreat aunt Mary McMahon (b. 1825 Glendree, Tulla, daughter of Michael McMahon and Catherine Bowles) married James Bourke (b. 1818 Barbro (?), Clare).
    James was the son of Edmond Bourke and Bridget Vaughan. I believe that James was first married to Maria Redden. James and Maria had two sons Edmond (1842) and John (1845, Broadford, Clare). Maria died sometime before James, Mary and the two boys immigrated to Australia aboard the Emperor in June 1851. James subsequently sponsored the immigration of most of Mary’s large family between 1853 and 1856.
    The Bourke family settled at Binalong in NSW. John Bourke became a well know figure in nearby Harden-Murrumburrah. Serving as Mayor, JP, coroner, auctioneer and butcher at various times. I know very little about the Bourkes before they immigrated so would be interested to know if you have stumbled across this family at all.
    Regards, Leanne.
    PS. See you Canberra in 2015!

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    1. hi Leanne, Very pleased to hear from you. I am interested in the Bourke family as they came from the East Clare area….I have a new blog called East Clare emigrants http://eastclareoz.wordpress.com/. I didn’t pick them up on the Emperor because of the ambiguity of their place of origin. I’ve also checked the baptisms for Broadford and can’t find a trace of John there…perhaps he was baptised elsewhere (Tulla?)…the parish records are on microfilm with LDS though I can’t recall when they start. With Reddan/Redden in my family it has an added interest for me. Who knows, they may be related? I had a browse on Clare trying to find out more about the family but only found “county Clare”….frustrating! I notice Edmond appears to have changed his name to Edward as well. Sounds like we’ll have things to chat about in Canberra. Pauleen

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  26. Thank you for the invite.Have often read the blogs and have decided to reply. My great grandmother Bridget Hayes was born in Cloonyconry Beg shortly before 1844.Her parents were Patrick Hayes & Bridget Ryan and her siblings were Margaret, Mary, John(baptised in Broadford 29.3.1845),Catherine(23.11.1846),Winifred(13.6.1848),Tom(4.5.1850),Pat(4.3.1852),Rodger(11.5.1854),Anne(30.5.1856),Honora&Ellen(17.3.1858)and Jeremiah(11.2.1860).Have located marriage and death certificates for Bridget,Margaret,Mary,Catherine,Winifred and Jeremiah in Australia.Have located immigration records for Catherine & Winifred In NSW.However I have no idea how to locate a certain immigration record for Bridget.She was a sponsor for a baptism in Broadford on the 17th March 1858 and a witness for a wedding in Cranbourne Victoria on the 23rd June 1867.I am interested to know of any emigration schemes that existed in that part of County Clare during that period. Regards Terry

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    1. Hi Terry, thanks for getting in touch. Sorry about the delayed response but I’m caught up with other things right now. can I get back to you in a few weeks when the dust settles? pauleen

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      1. hi Terry, I have no knowledge of immigration funding specific to Co Clare at the time. It will have been provided by one of the Australian states to fit their purposes so by that stage could be Vic, NSW or Qld. Have you tried searching the state records/archives for each state? She may also have been sponsored by a friend or relative in which case you might find her in the NSW Immigration Deposit Journals. Depending on when the others arrived the latter may offer your best bet, but she should still appear in the immigration indexes. The important thing is to look at the records which have the higher microfilm number as these provide more information especially re parents’ names and place of birth/origin….if the reels exist. Does her death certificate provide any clue re how long in Australia? Sorry for not replying – have been all over the place, literally, in the past months and was overseas when you first posted. It was very common for the Broadford people to travel with friends or family so perhaps that might help link her up accurately? Pauleen
        For example: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/immigration/immigration
        http://prov.vic.gov.au/provguide-52
        http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5264-immigration-deposit-journals-1853-1900

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      2. Terry, A further suggestion. Was the person for whose wedding she was a sponsor, one of her relatives or not? If not, perhaps she was a ship mate and if her name is more unusual it might be worth seeing which ship she arrived on, which might lead you to Bridget? Just a thought. Pauleen

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  27. Hi Pauleen (and everyone else interested in former Broadford families)

    Where to start? My husband’s family (McDonnell’s) are a former (and current) Broadford family where branches of the family have over the years immigrated to Australia, England, Canada and USA with current family in numerous different countries! In addition, family names which are associated with the McDonnell’s include Catherine Taylor (1725 – 1797); Catherine Purcell whose mother was Mary Redden (1812 – 1904); Nora Doyle (?-?); plus Vaughan, Kelly, Quinlivan, Green and Taylor. Now most of the names mentioned are from in or around Broadford although I am struggling with Ellen Johnstone daughter of John Johnstone and Ellen Centrell and John’s parents were John Johnstone and Elizabeth Hartney (I think proof very thin on this). This Ellen Johnstone is my husbands Great Grandmother who married Dr Patrick McDonnell in Clonlara on July 4th 1877. Her father was described as deceased and a gentleman but was alive two years earlier on her sisters marriage certificate.

    With regard to the Australian branch of the family George McDonnell (1791 – 1872) had two wives. His first wife was Anne Scanlan and we believe this family was made up of 4 children one of which was George McDonnell (1837 – 1898) who married Mary Ryan (her mother was a Burke). George took his family to Australia (Sydney) and there is still family in Australia that I have been in touch with. My husband’s branch of the family is from George’s 2nd wife Catherine Purcell.

    We know that some of the family went to the USA – Dr Willy (William) McDonnell married Susan Quinlivan and they had 3 children George, Susan and Kathleen. George stayed in Ireland, married but had no children; Susan and Kathleen went to the USA. Susan married a Harte and we do not know if Kathleen married although the general concensus is she didn’t. We believe Susan’s family are in California.

    My husband’s 2 aunts and his mother went to Australia to school when they were about 12 we think. Aunty Nell stayed on, became a Nun taught school and stayed in Adelaide for the rest of her life while my husband’s mom and the other aunt came back to England.

    Lots more info, but will leave that for those who express further interest. I have a family tree website which I can give access to should you think you are connected – let me know. If anyone has further info on the Johnston(e) family connection I will be forever in your debt!!

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    1. Great to hear from you Linda. Sorry to be so long getting back to you but being away, then jetlagged, has set me behind. I will definitely be in touch via email as well….there’s so much content here in your comment. Will keep an eye out for those Johnston(e) family members. The Broadford families scattered far and wide…once they started out they just kept going till they found where suited them I think. I’m interested in your Reddan family as my 3xgreat grandmother was Catherine Reddan. Are your Vaughans the same lot from whom the Bishop of Killaloe came from?

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      1. Hi Pauleen

        I don’t have a Catherine Reddan in the names I have in my family tree but my information on the Reddan’s is incomplete and I am missing some first names, so I would need more info to be able to tell if my Reddan’s are connected to yours. With regard to the Vaughan’s, – I don’t know as again I do not have much beyond the names of the Vaughan children (my husband’s great aunts children) and one of his uncles married a Vaughan but they are not the same Vaughan family as the previous ones I have mentioned. If you send me your email address, I can add you to my family tree on the web and then you can see for yourself what I have, may make more sense than this rambling!

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    2. Hello Pauline.
      I would like to comment on Linda’s post, my great grand uncle Edward Quinlivan was Susan Mcdonnell nee Quinlivan’s cousin, his brother Patrick Francis Neville Quinlivan was my Great Grandfather, they were both nephews of Susan’s father Edmund Quinlivan who died in 1850, the year Susan was born.
      My GG Patrick Francis emigrated to Australia, South Australia and Victoria, he had 16 children to two wives, I descend from his eldest son Summerland Quinlivan.
      I know that Edward married Elizabeth Johnstone, and that her brother John died at their house in Cecil Street Limerick in 1881, also that John Johnstone lived in Australia for a time and was a Lieutenant with the Ballarat Rangers, Volunteer Rifles, if you Google Ballarat Rangers Officers Parade 1869, there is a group photo of the men in uniform, I believe John Johnstone is 3rd from the left, going by the writing that was on the back of the photo, he has a full beard. he also spent time in the Queensland diggings in 1868 and sent a report back to Ballarat.
      I have recently found out that Edward and Elizabeth emigrated to St Paul, Minnesota in 1886 and he was working as a Clerk for the Catholic Calvary Cemetery, it seems Elizabeth died in 1891, Edward went back to Ireland in 1906 for a visit after his sister Mary Grogan nee Quinlivan died in Kilrush the year before, 1905 , he left the administration of her estate to one of his cousins, The Rev Laurence Browne and returned to St Paul, he died in there in 1913, the executer of Edward’s will was the Archbishop of St Paul, John Ireland, he declined and his Secretary John P O’conner dealt with it, the only beneficiary was a Susette McDonnell C/O Rough Rider Hotel Medora, North Dakota.
      I have found that Edward’s cousin Susan McDonnell nee Quinlivan was living in St Paul, Minnesota in 1915, her son George McDonnell aged 24, born in 1891, single, arrived at Ellis Island, Port of NewYork, on the 9th of September 1915, last permanent residence, Broadford, name of friend or relative in country from which emigrant came, Uncle, John McDonnell, Broadford, Clare.
      Final destination, Mother, Susan McDonnell, 152 West George Street, St Paul, Minnesota, this information is from Emigrants from Bradford through Ellis Island.
      I believe Edward had a child with Elizabeth Johnstone, I don’t know if Susette was that child or was she Edward’s cousin Susan and there was a mistake in the spelling of the name.

      Betty.

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      1. Thank you so much for providing this information about another part of the Broadford diaspora. Isn’t it wonderful how the internet lets us bring these stories together?! I will send Linda an email to let her know of your comment but won’t send on your email without permission.

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      2. Hi Betty

        Thank you so much for responding with the above information. I would love to get in touch with you directly to continue the conversation – our families are definitely connected. I have recently found a cousin in California who belongs to the McDonnell/Quinlivan branch which may be of interest to you too. If you are happy to share your email address, I will be able to add you to my online family database and then you can see what information I have so far. I also think I may have a photo of the John Johnstone you refer to above but it is only your info that has given me his surname, I have a photo of a John in uniform dated 1902 I think – will dig it out if you want to see it perhaps you can confirm (or not) if this is John J.

        I assume from your info that you are located in Australia? Who knows we may even meet up at some point as one of our children appears to be settling there so guess we will be doing some travelling in that direction over the years to come.

        There is also a McDonnell/Scanlan branch of the family in Australia which we will hope to touch base with next time we are over.

        Hope to hear from you again!

        Linda

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      3. Hi Pauline

        Yes please do forward my email to Betty. Thanks! J

        Linda

        BTW – I just tried to respond via the website and it would not let me log on – not sure if I lost my details and entered them wrong, but when I wanted to recover them it appeared to think I was trying to recover my account which clearly it isn’t – hence not sure if the problem is mine or the site??

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      4. Hello Linda.

        It’s nice to hear from you,
        The John Johnstone who was with the Ballarat Rangers was my Great Grand Uncle Edward Quinlivan’s brother-in-law, older brother of Edward’s wife Elizabeth Johnstone, Edward and Elizabeth married in Cork on the 23rd of July 1879, they lived at 7 Cecil Street Limerick, it seems Edward took over the Quinlivan Corn Merchant business in William Street Limerick, being the oldest son of Patrick Quinlivan, Merchant, I don’t know if their uncle Laurence who was the Mayor of Limerick and also a Corn Merchant had any children.
        John Johnstone died at the home of his brother-in-law Edward on the 26 of December 1881, he was 50 years old, 5 months later John and Elizabeth Johnstone’s brother William Johnstone Esq died, on the 17 of May 1882, at Edward’s home in Cecil Street, it doesn’t say how old he was, these obituaries are online.
        A letter that John Johnstone Captain of the local Volunteer Corps, wrote to a Mr G Armstrong of Ballarat describing his expedition to the Diggings of Queensland in 1868 was published in the Argus (Melbourne) Victoria, Tuesday 11 August 1868, this can be searched for online, page 9 I think.The headline, The Queensland Gold Fields.
        I live in Queensland but was born in Ballarat, Victoria, after completing research on every other branch of my family I have started to properly research the Quinlivan’s, my fathers paternal family, I found some really helpful information from a Clare County Library Forum, Grogan and Quinlivan of Kilrush and Limerick, the information here lead me to my Great Grand Aunt Mary and the information about Edward and Minnesota, my Grandfather Summerland Quinlivan is mentioned here as a Claimant on his Aunt’s estate, some of the posts are resent so I will keep my eye on it.
        We have just done a tour of Scotland, Ireland and London, we were in Limerick in September, we found the Quinlivan family grave at the Mount St Lawrence Cemetery, it’s a big double grave near the chapel, the Mayor Laurence Quinlivan had a large Celtic Cross placed there for his mother Anne Quinlivan, 1863 and to mark the burial place of his family, Laurence also is buried there. 1876.
        We also visited Kilkenny, my fathers Maternal people came from there.
        We loved our time in Ireland it’s a beautiful place in summer, it must have been hard to leave.

        Betty.

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    3. Hello Linda.

      Betty again.
      I have noticed that Susan McDonnell nee Quinlivan’s son George lied about his age when he joined his mother in St Paul, Minnesota, he was born in 1881 in Limerick, so that would have made him 34 at the time.
      My GG Patrick Francis Neville Quinlivan did the same thing, he said he was 21 when he married in South Australia in 1863, he was 27, his birth year was 1836.
      Edward and Patrick Francis Neville Quinlivan’s sister Mary Grogan nee Quinlivan was baptised at St Michaels Catholic Church, Limerick City on the 14th of July 1833, page 257, sponsors Michael McCarthy and Ellen Neville.
      Edward was baptised in St Michaels as well, December 1831, page 214, I have found Edward and Mary’s written records in the Catholic Parish Registers for St Michaels.
      There was another sister Ellen Quinlivan born in December 1834, I don’t as yet know what happened to her.

      Betty.

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      1. Thanks Betty

        Yes, I have George Edmond McDonnell (mother Susan Quinlivan) as baptised on July 15th, 1881 this George married Bridget Walshe and we do not think they had any children. George had two sisters, Susan Josephine and Kathleen Emma. Susan and Kathleen went to the US, Susan married Thomas Michael Harte, they had one child Susan Agnes – this Susan married John Patrick Byrne and they had 6 children – 5 of the 6 are still living – I don’t yet have full details of the children’s children! Kathleen never married. I have only recently (last 12 months) managed to find the living children and in touching base managed to find out the above info regarding Susan Josephine & Kathleen.

        With regard to the Edward Quinlivan and Elizabeth (Eliza) Johnstone, the information I have (written by a deceased relative of my husband McDonnell/Johnstone connection) says they did not have any children. However, if Edward and Elizabeth were in the US I suppose they could have had a child/ren without the rest of the family knowing? Communication in the 1800’s is certainly not what it is today!

        Your help with this research is greatly appreciated! 🙂

        Linda

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      2. Hello Linda.
        Thanks very much for your added information, I have just solved the problem of who the beneficiary of Edward Quinlivan’s estate, “Suzette McDonnell” was, she was Edward Quinlivan’s cousin Susan McDonnell nee Quinlivan’s daughter, Susan Josephine Harte nee Quinlivan, it seems she was known as “Suzette”.
        I had a look through the Familysearch site and found Thomas Harte 29, Head, his wife Suzette Harte 28, Boarder George McDonnell 37 and Boarder Catherine McDonnell 25, the census was 1920 and they were living in Manhattan, New York, at that time. it’s worth a look at this census record, if you haven’t seen it.
        This means that Edward had no surviving children at all at the time of his death in 1913 in St Paul, I suppose my GG Patrick Francis made up for that, his 16 children were all still living when he died.
        One of the Quinlivan cousins, cousin was the Bishop of Limerick, Edward Thomas O,Dwyer, his mother was their aunt Anne Quinlivan, there was a letter written to a
        General Sir John Maxwell, the new Commander of the British Forces in November 1915, it was to do with the threat of military conscription of Irish Men for the British army during WW1, apparently there were mob attacks on Irish men trying to emigrate to America from Liverpool in 1915, the year George emigrated, this could have been a reason for George to join his mother and sisters in America.
        There is quite a lot about the Bishop online which is of interest to researchers of our family.

        Betty.

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      3. Hi Linda.

        Yes Ellen Mary Kelly was the first wife of my 2x Great Grand Uncle the Mayor of Limerick Laurence Quinlivan, she died about 9 months later on the 9th of August 1851, she was the daughter of Mary Kenny and Mathew Kelly of Kilrush.
        I believe that Laurence Quinlivan and Ellen Mary Kelly were most likely related, both of them seem to be descendants of Edward Kenny and Eleanor De Lacy, thats going back to the 1600s.
        I found a very good detailed history from the Clare County Library site titled The Kenny family of Treanmanagh from c 1650 to the early 1900s by Margaret Gallery.
        This has the marriage of Margaret Kenny to Laurence Quinlivan, Farmer of Rathloobain or Boallyroughan, this couple were the Grandparents of the Mayor Laurence Quinlivan and Great Grandparents of our Quinlivan cousins, Susan, Edward, Patrick Francis, Mary and Ellen.

        http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/fam_his/kenny_family_treanmanagh_1650_1800.htm

        There is a wealth of information to be found looking through this history, it takes time to sort the the people out, of interest is Ellen Mary Kelly’s brother, General Sir Thomas Kelly Kenny and the McCarthy connection, Michael McCarthy was the second husband of Mary Quinlivan one of the daughters of Margaret Kenny and Laurence Quinlivan, she was the Mayor Laurence’s aunt, Michael McCarthy was one of the sponsors for the baptism of my GG Patrick Francis Neville Quinlivan’s sister Mary in 1833, the McCarthy cousins of the Mayor Laurence Quinlivan are a good one to look into, the brothers James and Charles had a Newspaper, James had also been a teacher, there seems to have been some trouble involving the paper, James took his family to New Orleans were he died, this family was quite easy to search for.
        The mayor Laurence Quinlivan did marry again when he was 59, he married Margrette Cullinan at 89 George Street in Ennis, on the 12th of November 1863,
        she was the daughter of Solicitor Michael Cullinan of Ennis, Margrette died 6 years later in 1869.

        Betty.

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  28. Hi Linda. Very interested in the Taylor connection. My gg grandfather was John Taylor of Coolisteige near Clonara. he married Eliza Whelan c 1835 and had 2 sons, Patrick and Robert, and possibly a third, Hugh. Eliza died when Robert was a baby and oral history says that John remarried and went to America. Patrick and Robert both emigrated to NSW c 1856.
    Eliza’s mother was Mary Massey.
    Any links do you think?
    Yours Gabrielle

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  29. Hi Gabrielle

    I have very little info on the Taylor family. All I do know is that my husband took his mom (in 1977) to Ireland and they went to the old family graveyard (Kilseily) and there is a gravestone with an inscription (one of the few still ledgeable) which said George McDonnell erected the stone for his mother Eliza McDonnell (Taylor) and his son Charles and the dates. My husband’s mom said this was her G Grandmothers grave. I know nothing further about the Taylor family and have done little to research it to date as I have been trying to get info on the Johnston(e)’s. Sorry I can not help further!

    Linda

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      1. HI I went to this graveyard a couple of times over the years and while neglected in terms of the stones, the last time I went it had actually had the grass mowed and the path to the graveyard – down the farmers field/side of the graveyard was also cleared. Do you happen to know whether there is anywhere a list of who is buried there? The family (McDonnell) refer to this as the family graveyard and I know from newspaper reports several family members are buried there. Unfortunately apart from the one stone mentioned above, I couldn’t find any with McDonnell on them – to be clear tho’ out of all the stones, there were only a handful that you could make out any writing on and lots were simply nubs of stone marking the grave – not sure they were ever more than that. What I would like to know is did anyone ever record who was buried at that site?

        Linda

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  30. Thanks Linda. Will try to examine a connection with your Eliza McDonnell (Taylor). You also mentioned a Catherine Taylor 1725-1797. Who was she and where did she live?
    Yours Gabrielle

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  31. Hello Pauleen,
    Our relative John Moloney (born 1849?) came out to Australia from Broadford County Clare when he was 15 years old. We are keen to know if he came out alone or with his family. His father’s name was Patrick Moloney (he was a farmer) and his mother was Bridget Daly (maiden name).

    His second marriage was to Mary O’Loughlin (from Inchaguinn County Clare). I’m not sure where Inchaguinn is, but that is the name listed on her death certificate, (as being her place of birth)
    Both John and Mary died in Rockhampton Queensland. Mary’s parents were Cornelius O’Loughlin (a farmer) and Anne Griffin (maiden name). Mary came out to Australia when she was 10 years old.
    Another relative of ours called Mary McKenna came out from County Clare also in the mid 1850’s.
    This is information we have found on the death certificates of John and Mary Moloney, when we were looking through some boxes in our cupboard. We can’t remember who gave us these certificates, but we are now interested to find out more information, particularly as we hope to travel to Ireland next year (as we have just discovered that is where our relatives are from).
    We thought we probably had Irish heritage, as our surname is Moloney, but this is the first link we have found to our ancestors. It’s exciting!!
    Cheers
    Donna Moloney

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    1. Hi Donna, I’m thinking that Mary’s place of birth is probably Inchiquin -they used estate names, towns, townlands and parishes as the mood took them….kind of like we vary between town, suburb, state etc.

      Answering your question is really “how long is a piece of string?” You have a good base with the certificates for your family from which to start. I can’t hope to capture all the steps you need to follow here. I’d suggest you join a locally based family history society. If you’re still in Rocky, then the Central Qld FHS is a good one. Someone on the spot can then show you how to look up immigration records, for example.

      Another excellent site is the Clare Library site http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm but as Moloney is such a common name you have a challenge ahead of you to be certain which you’re looking at. Even in Broadford there were several. I have indexed the Broadford parish registers which can be ordered in on microfilm but I can’t find a John on there that looks correct. I assume you got the parents’ names and the place from his death certificate. It might be worth your while to search the online marriage indexes for his marriage and then purchase it as he should have given those details when his marriage was registered. https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=marriages

      What’s important is to be methodical so that you don’t end up with the wrong Moloney family. I hope this helps a little. Pauleen

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    2. Hello! Donna, I am Felicity Bleach, maiden name MOLONEy. I live in South Africa and know the family originated in Ireland and would love to know more. My dad was Justin Moloney, born in Johannesburg South Africa I think. He died in World War 2 whilst awaiting discharge from the airforce. His dad was also Justin, as is my brother. My dad’s mom was Georgina, Constance, Murphy, Nelson prior to her marriage to my grandfather. That is unfortunately the llimit of my knowledge. Do you recognize any of the above names? I would love to hear from you. My e.mail: felicitybleach@yahoo.com. I am also on facebook. Many thanks for reading this note. Felicity.

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  32. Hello,
    My relative Michael Vaughan brother to my great great grandfather William Vaughan came to Australia in about 1866 with his cousin Patrick (I think). The family is from Kilbane, Killokennedy County Clare Ireland which is now part of Broadford. William, his sister Catharine and brother John emigrated to Brooklyn NY where I was eventually born. Michael apparently was a letter-carrier with the General Post Office in Glebe and lived in Marrickville. He was also very active in a few catholic churches in the area mostly notably St. Benedicts. He died in 1927 as is buried in the old section of the Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney. It looks like they had lots of kids who died very young and it is hard to pin down their births and deaths. Is there a way to find vital records online in Australia? All the info I found was searching newspapers from the time which obviously doesn’t capture everything.

    Their parents were Patrick Vaughan and Winifred Nolan. They had another son Patrick who stayed on the family farm in Kilbane. Hopefully I can someday get to the homestead and visit.

    Ironically, I visited Sydney in 2001 and had no idea that I was so close to where Michael lived and was interred. Oh well, sigh.

    Karen Danielsen, Ph.D. (nee Vaughan)

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    1. hi Karen, I assume you are still in the US? There are a number of possible links for you to follow.

      1. In Australia our BDM vital records are registered state-by-state so you will need the New South Wales one for your Sydney family. Check out what they say here first http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html then go to the online search here: https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?0

      They have just changed the format so you may have to persevere if it doesn’t pop up straight away.

      2. State Records NSW has some online indexes here which might be useful. In particular search the Immigration records. They do have some digitised versions of the immigration records but there is a better version (the Board lists) which give parents’ names usually enabling you to be sure you have the right person. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online

      3. The County Clare Library site has a wealth of information here http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm

      4. The Broadford parish registers are able to be ordered in from the LDS Church via their Family HIstory libraries, or perhaps a family history society near you. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/221936?availability=Family%20History%20Library

      The registers are a nightmare to read especially in the early days but worth looking at rather than just relying on my data as you can then read through more and see if your rellies may have been witnesses as well. The priests couldn’t always spell as we’d expect and they sometimes put the name of the women especially down differently (slightly). As you might imagine the births and marriages fell off during the Famine (there are no burials available). After the Famine the priest started adding in the townland which made a big difference to “pinning them down”.

      5. You might be interested in my new East Clare Emigrants blog -there is no method to whom I’m including other than their names turn up in Trove newspapers (www.trove.nla.gov.au) when I search by east Clare place names. http://eastclareoz.wordpress.com/

      6. I have lots of links on my pages for online and offline reading which you might want to explore as well.

      Happy searching

      Pauleen

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  33. Hello again

    I read more on your site and I noticed that you probably have baptism records for the town of Killbane. I was wondering if you could look up the Vaughan family’s baptism records since they start at 1844. William in particular was born around 1849-1851 but all the children were born between 1839-1855.

    Thanks,
    Karen Danielsen (nee Vaughan)

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    1. hi Karen. I did check my indexed records and the results are ambiguous. I cannot find a combination of Patrick Vaughan and Winifred Nolan at all. I did find a Patrick Vaughan and Bridget Nolan in Kilbane in 1853 (James), Thomas (1845), William (1845) and possibly Michael (1844). There’s also a Patrick Vaughan and Mary Boland combination with Mary (1844) and Catherine (1846) but there’s then an entry for the same couple in 1855 where it indicates they are in Lissroe townland. I’d strongly encourage you to look at the microfilm yourself to see what you conclude from it – you may pick up different things based on family knowledge. I’d be grateful if you can give me some feedback afterwards.

      In terms of your Sydney information, I wondered what basis you had for choosing that William Vaughan? Not to say you’re wrong but just wondering. I also wondered if you’d come across the Catholic burials at Rookwood which can be searched here http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/default.aspx

      BTW our vital records are very comprehensive. As always the death certificates are the least likely to be reliable as someone else is giving the information. If it were me and you thought you had the right bloke I’d order the marriage certificate first.

      Hope this helps

      Pauleen

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      1. Hi Pauleen,

        Wow, thanks for the great feedback its going to take a little while to to absorb all that info. And yes, I’m still the US in Las Vegas, NV.

        Actually the person who went to Australia was Michael not William. But here is my reasoning:

        1. A family source gave me the initial family tree that came to the US (Brooklyn) as William, Catharine and John Vaughan. They all came together around the time of the American Civil War. At the time she also noted that there was a brother Michael who had emigrated to Australia and was a Postmaster General or something like that.

        2. I found his sister’s long obituary (Catherine Vaughan Cross) in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle that says she was a native of Kilbane, Couty Clare and survived by a brother Michael who was a resident of Sydney Australia.
        (see http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/55290078/?terms=Cross int he middle of the page)

        3. I found a Australian Government book/document that showed an appointment of Michael Vaughan as a letter carrier. As I dug into that clue a little more, I noticed that he was not a postmaster general (as the family contact indicated) but worked in the general post office in Sydney as a letter carrier in the Glebe district. As always, family informants have a lot of the info correct but there are always errors/exaggerations. I then found a long biographical obituary in the
        “The Catholic Press” on 2 June 1927 pg. 22 on Trove which mentions that he was a native of Kilbane, County Clare and a letter carrier:

        http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/107972530?searchTerm=Vaughan&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1927-06-02|||dateTo=1927-06-03|||l-advtitle=447|||sortby

        and the “Freeman’s Press”:

        http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/122922615?searchTerm=Vaughan&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1927-06-02|||dateTo=1927-06-03|||l-advtitle=447|||l-advtitle=464|||sortby

        And yes, I did find the cemetery index and found his grave with a date that was consistent with the obituary date.

        I would order the marriage certificate but I’m not completely sure who his wife was. I think it was Mary Deveran but there is some evidence that it might Mary Sheridan. So I am still trying to sort that out.

        About the baptismal records, I suspect my initial info was wrong about Patrick Vaughan’s wife because I too can’t find Winifred. I got that name from William Vaughan’s death certificate. I’ve recently ordered Catherine’s and John’s certificate to see if I can confirm their mother’s name from that. I think Catherine’s informants were more on the ball than William’s. So I’ll let you know. I think the only way to solve this, as you said, to look at the microfilm itself.

        Thanks for your help
        Karen Danielsen (nee Vaughan)

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      2. you’re welcome Karen.
        Some thoughts:
        1. there was a reduction in the migration to US around the Civil War and an increase to Australia so that fits with your estimated 1866.
        2. It did help looking for Michael not William 🙂
        3. I can’t see a marriage for Deveran-Vaughan but there’s one for Sheridan-Vaughan in 1869 (again, timing fits). I guess you saw that Mary is buried with Michael at Rookwood RC. Buried 21 April 1916, funeral notice (brief) 19 April in Sydney Morning Herald.
        4. Will be interesting to see the outcomes from Catherine’s and John’s certificates
        5. the Catholic Press and Freeman’s Journals are gold for obits for Catholics, sadly doesn’t seem to be one for Mary.
        6. from obit it and son-in-law’s name of John Kennedy, Mary and Michael’s daughter is Julia Maria with fits with Mary’s death showing her parents as Patrick and Julia.
        7. They had a son since there is a grandson surname Vaughan. Given the war era he may have been KIA or simply died earlier. Hard to pick from the NSW baptisms.
        8. Great obit for Catherine.
        Cheers
        Pauleen

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      3. Further: In my database I have a family of Vaughans from Killokennedy arriving Sydney on the Hotspur (lots of Broadford emigrants) in 1863. They are Owen & Ellen Vaughan with children Bridget, Michael, Margaret, John, Daniel, James, Mary. I can find baptisms for the first three but not the last ones…makes me think they may have lived somewhere else between Broadford and emigration. Owen was a witness to the baptism of Thomas, son of Patrick Vaughan and Bridget Nolan 1845. I would guess they’re some sort of relation to you.

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      4. Karen, further to previous. It might be worth trying the following strategies to learn more about Michael’s involvement with the Hibernians (HACB Society):
        1. check out these illustrated stories from Trove http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-illustrated=true&q=Hibernian+society+Sydney+Benedict%27s My Irish rellies were heavily involved in the Hibernians and I have a number of photos of them in conference meetings -some inherited, but then “confirmed” through news stories.
        2. Perhaps write to the Hibernian Australasian Catholic Benefit Society at 333 George St, Sydney to see if they can steer you to someone else eg a branch. Not sure if this is really more a banking-type outlet now.
        3. Fill out the contact form on the Gaelic Club, Sydney to see if they can give you a contact.

        Strong Hibernians were involved in “everything” locally from an RC point of view so there’s potential for more info.

        I’ve put this here rather than email as it may be useful to someone else. Don’t forget you can contact me via email – details on the contact me page.

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  34. Hi again:
    Here is an equally good obit for William Vaughan my gg grandfather (Michael’s brother)
    at the very bottom of the page
    http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/55372747/

    I think I spelled his wife’s name wrong. I think it is spelled Davoren which I think is a pretty prominent family in Clare according to the Clare Library.

    Karen

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  35. Hi Pauleen,
    I have an update. I finally got the death certificate for Catherine Vaughan. It says that her parents were Patrick Vaughan and Bridget Nolan so I guess that they are in fact my relations. I have also since discovered that this Vaughan family may related to Daniel Vaughan a professor who emigrated to the US and went to Cincinnati and Daniel Vaughan (the uncle of Daniel Vaughan the professor) who became a bishop in Killaloe for a short time.

    http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/people/daniel_vaughan.htm

    The following link provides genealogical information but the text is not particularly clear as to the lineages
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/eti/eti61.htm

    If this is indeed my relative, it makes happy to see that I’m not the only professor in the family (I’m a professor at UNLV in Las Vegas).

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    1. excellent Karen! certificates are such an important part of our research as you’ve shown. I knew the bishop came from a Broadford family and he was quite influential. I have two books called the Diocese of Killaloe Parts I and II. you may be able to get them in on inter-library loan. Isn’t it nice to see history repeating itself with occupations.

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    2. Having read the articles now I have to say what a remarkable man he was. I find it intriguing how such a clever mind came from the training of a hedge school master…perhaps it was because his learning wasn’t tied to normal streams. I hadn’t known about Prof Daniel Vaughan before, only his uncle. I do hope your Professorship doesn’t lead you to a tenement in old age…such a sad end.

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  36. Pauleen
    Thank you very much for your responsesThere are many Bridget Hayes coming into Melbourne at that time .Difficult to know which is correct.Will try the sites recommended by you and the interstate immigration records .The first child of Bridget was my grandmother Margaret c 1871.Her birth was not registered in Victoria.I have been to Cloonyconrybeg near Kilbane to the birthplace of Bridget.Very pleasing to have access to your site .Means a lot to me.
    Terry

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  37. My great grandfather was John Kelly Bourke of Woodfield house in Broadford. My father immigrated about 1923 as a baby to Canada then New York City

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  38. Hi,
    Patrick KINSLEY from Broadford Clare, married Mary HEALY from O’Callaghan Mills in LIMERICK/CLARE Ireland and then went to South Africa. Apparently this area fell under LIMERICK and not CLARE. Some of the descendents then moved to Australia.
    My G G Grandmother Catherine de Scally (born HEALY) was married to Owen de Scally. She was Mary’s sister. There was a 3rd sister Ann O’ Reilly (born HEALY) who also lived in South Africa. Not sure whether there were anymore siblings. Still trying to find out.
    We think Catherine, Ann and Mary’s parents were James HEALY and Norah ?
    Patrick and Mary are buried in South Africa,
    If anyone else can help with the Irish connection, I’d be extremely grateful.
    Gillian Strachan

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    1. hi Gillian, Thanks for your comments and apologies they’ve been neglected so long – disappeared into my spam box 😦

      I was very interested in the connection to South Africa as it’s something I’ve not been fully aware of before this. Yes, O’Callaghan’s Mills and Broadford both fall within the Limerick Poor Law Union even though they are in east Clare. Let’s hope someone else happens across your comment who is related to you. are you a member of the County Clare Genealogy Group on Facebook? It might be worth joining up. Cheers, Pauleen

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      1. Hi there. I’ve been battling for years to find my family Kearney/Carney that came from Clare to South Africa as well. There were quite a few Healy’s in Port Elizabeth. I was in contact with a chap by the name of Brendon Turnbull who was a descendant from that Healy family. He also subscribed to this site and it’s through here that we made contact. I’ve found a Death Notice for Mary Kinsley and you are right. Her parents are James and Nora Healey. They had 4 children Ellen, Peter, Denis and Maria.

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  39. It might not be East Clare. But One whole Family as Adults emigrated to Tasmania, Australia from Parish Carron or Corofin, County Clare between 1850 and 1870. As Justin O’Brien spoke to you about Patrick O’Brien and his wife Mary Mackey emigrating in 1853., Her brothers Thomas, James, Michael and Sister Bridget all emigrated in different years. James(1838) and his wife Mary Callaghan(1836) and 3 Children( John, Thomas and Bridget) emigrated in 1868 on the Donald McKay.Seems to be no record of their parents emigrating or of who or where they come from. Apart from being related, I still find it remarkable that five siblings of one family would all choose to emigrate to the same small island I was Born and seems to me worth investigating and question who were the parents of the Five and were there any more Siblings who did not emigrate?. I am Currently updating a Mackey Descendants report that I received from Justin any any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

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    1. Hi Leon, thanks for commenting. Unfortunately I can’t add any more to your search. The emigration of siblings en masse doesn’t surprise me all that much though the fact they all went to the one place is more unusual. Often they ended up in different colonies, while some went to different countries. One good thing about commenting here is that others may search for the names and find you as well. Good luck!! Pauleen

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  40. Hi Pauleen. I have been researching my Mannix family connections. Lot Mannix came with his wife Mary Vaughan and three sons, from Broadford, Clare to Sydney in March 1839 on the “Aliquis”, along with a “nephew” and/or apprentice Michael Mullins. Lot’s parents were John Mannix and Ann Hogan. Lot had a large family and died in 1873. His widowed sister Honora emigrated in the early 1854 from Flagmount near Feakle, according to her death notice. Her married name was Keefe, (perhaps O’Keefe) and she then re-married shortly after arriving in Sydney to William Sullivan. She died in 1880.

    Thanks so much for the links to those great Irish resources, and while the names above appear in various places, as yet I can’t pin down a certain connection. Perhaps a trip to Ireland is in order.

    George

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    1. Hi George, Thanks for getting in touch with more on Broadford families. Yours were obviously among the earlier ones. Yes, a trip to Ireland is always in order 😉 Pauleen

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    2. Hello George and Pauleen
      My name is Karen Danielsen, nee Vaughan. My Vaughan ancestors too came from Broadford (Kilbane area) and married into the Mannix family in Brooklyn New York (USA). The Brooklyn Mannix’s in my family came from Tulla. Just wondering if there is a connection.

      Best wishes

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      1. Hi Karen. I don’t have much information about the Irish. Even the internet has its limits! My Vaughan ancestors (Mary’s parents) were Edward Vaughan a bootmaker from Broadford and Honorah Daley. Looking at the photos and street view of Broadford shows even now a pub called Vaughans in the main street. Its hard to believe that your USA Mannix-Vaughan couple are not connected closely to mine who married in Ireland approx 1833. Do you have any christian names? I have my tree on ancestry “Lot Mannix” and could link to you there.

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      2. Hi Karen

        There are Vaughan’s from Kilbane in my husband’s family. His Great Aunt was a Catherine McDonnell who married Dr. Jeremiah Vaughan – I have quite a lot of family for this Vaughan family but would need to know more if we are to see if you Vaughan’s and mine are connected. Have any of yours done a DNA test? My husband has done his and it may be through this that we can find out if you are also related to the McDonnell’s which would help establish if this Vaughan family and your Vaughan’s are the same one. I also have a family tree on MyHeritage but it is private so would need your email address to give you access.

        Linda

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      3. Hello Linda,
        No we haven’t done the DNA test yet but plan to do so in the near future. My email is karen.a.danielsen@gmail.com and I would love to see if there is a connection on your MyHeritage account. I can reciprocate with my Ancestry account using your email as well.

        I don’t recognize those name in my family tree but I’m kind of up against a brick wall with my Irish ancestors at this point. I have made some connections to distant Vaughan relatives in Ireland on Ancestry but I can’t seem to make the actual connections yet. DNA is probably the next step.

        Was Dr. Jeremiah Vaughan a medical doctor, a Ph.D. or was that a religious degree? Just curious. In my family, there are many Jeremiahs so I think that there may be a link somewhere. Is your family related to the branch of the Vaughans with the bishop Daniel Vaughan or his nephew the scientist Daniel Vaughan? (see link for more information on this branch http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/people/daniel_vaughan.htm). Again, I’m pretty sure I’m related to that wing but I haven’t made the exact link yet. I’m working with a definite descendant of Daniel Vaughan (the scholar) but we can’t seem to complete the loop.

        So if you want to try to collaborate, drop me an email.

        Best wishes,
        Karen Danielsen nee Vaughan

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  41. Hi my name is Danielle and I am tracing the Burke Family name, which unfortunately spans far and wide across Ireland! I have hit a road block and am writing to see if anyone can assist me to enable me to travel further with this family line! I am a direct descendant of David Richard Burke born 1835/6 in Whitegate Co Cork. who married Mary Anne Walsh b. 1839 Castle Comer County, Killarney. They married in 1863/4 at Drontariff Co Cork. These are the first ancestors in this line of my family, who i know of, that came to Australia, although I do not know when? David’s father was John Burke who married Margaret Lelen or Lehane. If anyone could provide with more information about this family it would be greatly appreciated!

    I also know that David’s son John Gerald Burke married Margaret Neville, who was the daughter of Michael Neville (1852 Lisdoonvarna, Co. Clare -1898 Victoria, Australia) and Catherine Kate Morgan (1848/9 Ennistymon, Clare – 1931 Victoria, Australia). It looks like Michael was the only one in his family who moved to Australia while his sibling moved to what it looks like Ohio in America. It also looks like his parents Patrick Neville (1823 – 1898) and Anne Fox (1826 – 1898), also moved to Victoria, Australia, but I have no further information about his parents.

    I am also a direct descendent of Patrick Maloney (1804 Newmarket Co. Clare) who married Margaret Quinlan (1809 Newmarket Co Clare, who came to Australia together in 1841. The only information I have before them is that Patrick’s father was John Maloney (1780 – 1857 died in Goulburn, NSW Aus) who married Bridget Nenan (1780 – died in Galway, Ireland). This is my road block on the Maloney side.

    Sorry I know this is a lot of information! I just want to see if anyone can provide me with information about:
    David Richard Burkes father and mother, John Burke and Margaret Lehane/ Lelene.
    Patrick Neville who married Anne Fox, or
    Information about Patrick Maloney’s parents John Maloney and Bridget Nenan.

    Thanks in advance! I am happy to provide further information if you have any questions.

    Kind regards!
    Danielle

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  42. Hi. I am looking for further information on quite a lot of ancestors from Clare, but would particularly like to find out more about my gg grandmother Catherine Flanagan and her sister Ellen who came to Australia . Family story goes that Catherine b c 1854, Ennistymon, came to Australia aged approx 9 either with a Mrs Fogarty (her mother’s sister) OR with her step sister Ellen and was befriended on the boat by a Mrs Daly (a friend of Mrs Fogarty). Both of these ladies figure in later family history. I have not found any records for either Ellen or Catherine to confirm. Catherine’s mother was Bridget Collins (maiden name Collins and then married Collins 1 st marriage – Ellen’s parents) and Patrick Flanagan. Ellen went by name Flanagan. According to Catherine’s son Martin Noonan his mother wrote to a cousin called Guerin/Gearin in Ireland. Both Ellen and Catherine lived in the Toowoomba area of the Darling Downs, Queensland.
    Hope this is not too confusing. Would love to learn more about them in Ireland.

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    1. Hi Kaye, sorry I can’t help you as I am not a professional researcher. Perhaps a relative may see you comment and respond. Thanks for sharing your story. Have you checked the Irish RC Registers available through Ancestry, FindMyPast and free from National Library of Ireland?

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      1. Thank you for replying. My Catherine Flanagan has been my “brick wall” for so long. Have been searching& searching. Thanks for tips, will continue my search.

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      2. Kaye, further…have you tried the Catholic Archives in Toowoomba for marriages or baptisms? Just possibly you might learn something new from those. Might they have arrived and been register under the same surname as the person they travelled with? Like you I still have some brick walls even after 30years of hunting.good luck!

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    2. I have a Flanagan/Flanigan brick wall of my own!

      Hi! I have a great great grandmother named Mary Ann Elizabeth Flanigan that would have been born around 1863. She was left at an orphanage in St. Louis, MO at the age of 4 by her brothers who went out in the world to “find their riches” and promised to return. They never came back, and she never knew who her family was, or even what her brother’s names were. All we know is her estimated birth year and her name from orphanage records. She was most likely born in Ireland and traveled over. That’s how the story goes, anyway. One notable thing to mention is that the orphanage records show when each girl was baptized, except for Mary, implying that she must have already been baptized prior to her coming to the orphanage. I saw your Mary Flanigan and while they don’t seem to be the same person, I was interested in seeing if you would be able to help. Thank you!

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  43. Bridget (m Joseph OBrien), Catherine (m James McNamara),John (m Bridget Collin), Lawrence (m Margaret Larkin),and Patrick (m Winifred Mulbihille) Guerin all came to South Australia on the ship Hooghly arriving Oct 1846. They all married in South Australia. Hospital admission records say that they came from Co Clare. They were illiterate and Catholic. I have a copy of their approval for passage but how do I find their application for passage or where they came from in Co Clare? We assume that they are siblings although Patrick was a little older than the others suggesting either that there were other family members or that he was a relative.
    Any information or direction would be appreciated
    Virginia Loy (née Guerin)

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  44. Hi
    I have a quandry. My ancestors Patrick born c 1814 died 1900 married Winifred Mulvihille 1847 Adelaide South Australia , Lawrence born c died 1906 Belton South Australia married Margaret Larkin 1850 Adelaide South Australia, Bridget born c 1823 died 1903 married Joseph O’Brien 1847 Adelaide, South Australia, John born c 1826, died 1878 Parkside, South Australia married Brigid Conlo/in 1850 Mt Barker South Australia , Catherine b c 1834 died 1888 Chewton, Victoria married James McNamara 1847 Adelaide South Australia all arrived in Port Adelaide South Australia on 24 Oct 1846 on the ship Hooghly ex London. Approvals for passage dated 16 May 1846 2401- 2405 inc to Messers Marshall and Edridge Fenchurch Street. Lawrence’s Adelaide Hospital admission says he was from Co Clare. Bridget’s parents are recorded as John Guerin and Catherine Ryan. Australian records only record as being from Co Clare. Can I find an application for passage?
    I have commissioned Clare Heritage Centre previously with no results. How can I find where they came from in Co Clare?
    I would appreciate any assistance or direction.
    Virginia Loy (nee Guerin)
    vloy@astravel.com.au

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  45. Wow! That’s an interesting read! Thank you for posting. My great grandmother came from Broadford County Clare. Her name was Ellen DALY and her parents were John DALY and Sarah MOLONEY. She married John Henty CUTTLER in Maryborough, Queensland in 1880 but I am not sure when she came to Australia. I found an immigration entry for an Ellen Daly aged 16 in 1874. It was on the ship Southern Belle which went to Rockhampton which is over 380 klms north of Maryborough so am not sure if I have the correct Ellen’s immigration.
    Cheers
    Mary Brettell
    Brisbane, Australia

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      1. I had forgotten I left this here. I have since found, through DNA, I am related somehow to MINOGUE/MOLONEY.
        I found an immigration entry for Ellen DALY and Sarah DALY (her mother?)
        Ellen (aged 16) arrived with her mother Sarah DALY (aged 36) as a Remittance passenger on Southern Belle arriving Rockhampton 6 March 1874.
        Cheers 🙂

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  46. RE: KENNY from Six-Mile-Bridge
    Hi
    I am hoping that you or one of your readers can provide me with some direction.
    My great great grandfather Michael Kenny was baptised 1807 Cratloe, Co Clare. He and his siblings all migrated to Australia.
    Margaret baptized 21 March 1804 St Johns, Cratloe (I think that is the Parish of Cratloe) married Patrick Manning from Fortwilliam Co Clare
    Mary baptized 26 Mar 1805 Cratloe married Michael McNamara arrived South Australia 15 Jun 1852 with children Mary, Eliza and Margaret
    James baptized 16 Jun 1806 (didn’t come to South Australia probably deceased Ireland)
    Bridget born c 1809 married Michael McNamara 10 Jan 1839 Cratloe arrived Tasmania 1841/1842 on ship Brankenmoor with husband and brother Michael Kenny
    Michael ( gg grandfather baptized 1807 Cratloe married Brigid Purtle in South Australia)
    Daniel Matthew baptized 1 May 1814 Parish of Cratloe arrived Melbourne 3 June 1841 on Duchess of Northumberland with sisters Anne and Eliza. He married Catherine Laura Ledwith 1846 in South Australia
    Eliza baptized 11 Feb 1816 Parish of Cratloe married John McCormack 1846 Portland Victoria Australia arrived Duchess of Northumberland Melb 3 June 1841 with brother Daniel and sister Anne
    Martin baptized 20 Oct 1818 St John’s Church Cratloe who married Catherine Keogh.
    Anne baptized 15 Apr 1821 St John’s Cratloe married John Greenhall 30 May 1851 Morphett Vale South Australia arrived Duchess of Northumberland Melb 3 June 1841 with brother Daniel and sister Eliza.
    Great great grandfather Michael Kenny and Brigid Purtle named their sons after their ancestors. Michael Stephen White after ggggrandfather
    Martin Enright after another ancestor.
    John Daniel Kenny and his wife Mary White are buried at the old Ballysheen Cemetery. I was unable to find any other Kenny’s buried there and wonder if John Daniel Kenny actually moved there from somewhere else. John Kenny is on the 1833 Tax assessment for Fort William as being at Ballilidane East as is a John White and brother.
    Michael Kenny’s son Patrick Purtle Kenny was born in Sheaok Log in South Australia. He married Hanorah Devitt daughter of Michael Devitt born c 1830 Co Clare and Margaret Kinnane born c 1831 Killaloe Co Clare parents Patrick Kinnane and Brigid Consedine.
    I am looking for
    -deaths of John Daniel Kenny and his wife Mary White as there are no dates on the tombstone.
    – marriage of Margaret Kenny and Patrick Manning
    -Oral family history says that Martin went to the USA and then Australia so would love a record of this and am unable to find his marriage in Australia
    -any information about the White family
    I appreciate any assistance and would be very interested in hearing from anyone who is related to these people.
    Virginia Loy
    vloy@astravel.com.au

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      1. Hi
        So do I!! You never know who has connections, information or suggestions. All assistance is very gratefully received
        Virginia

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      2. In response to your query regarding the birthplace of Bridget Guerin .There are many family trees on Ancestry which state that she was born in Terryglass Tipperary in 1825 , married J O’Brien in 1847 and died in Yass NSW in 1903 .The surname is given as Guiren .

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      3. Terry Robins through Pauleen
        Thank you for a great site and for being so generous with your assistance.
        Terry I really appreciate your response.
        I have seen those trees and I have to say that I surmise that they may not be correct. Bridget Guerin O’Brien’s death certificate says place of birth Clare father John Guerin. I know that death registration’s rely on the information that the informant has!! The informant in this case was Bridget’s daughter Catherine.
        I am happy to be proved wrong!!

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      4. Terry Robins through Pauleen
        Thank you for a great site and for being so generous with your assistance.
        Terry I really appreciate your response.
        I have seen those trees and I have to say that I surmise that they may not be correct. Bridget Guerin O’Brien’s death certificate says place of birth Clare father John Guerin. I know that death registration’s rely on the information that the informant has!! The informant in this case was Bridget’s daughter Catherine.
        I am happy to be proved wrong!!

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  47. Hello,
    What a great site. My families are the Walshes and Carrigs from Killaloe. My ancestor was William Carrick (Anglisised name) who migrated to Australia and settled in Melbourne. His brother, Martin, settled in San Francisco and his sister, Bridget, married a Gleason and settled in New York. I am trying to find out more about the Walshe family.
    Thanks again,
    Anne.

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  48. Hi there, discovered your blog on a rainy day in ChCh, NZ. Great way to while away the time.
    My Broadford connection is through John Flanagan (married to Kathleen Cardiff and then Sarah Ryan) who emigrated to Victoria with his children on the SS Shackamaxon. Seems he first went to Gloucestershire but then took John Jnr, William, George (born 1848), Sarah, Kathleen and Harriet to Melbourne. John ,George, William, John, Kathleen and Harriet then followed the gold rush over to NZ.
    My particular interest is George (bit of a rogue) who deserted his wife Susannah in 1896, leaving her with ten children. Wondered if he returned to Victoria to be with his extended family as there is no death certificate in NZ for him. Any Flanagan followers with info I would love to hear from you!

    Thanks so much for your blog. Loved looking at the photos of Broadford, wonderful thinking how at one stage our ancestors must have played on the street together, but here we are, in so many countries.

    Denise Flanagan

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  49. Thanks Denise, sorry about my delayed response. I find it interesting how some of them did the step migration process: Ireland to Gloucestershire then Victoria, then NZ. I hope someone spots your comment when googling.

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  50. Hi David
    Very pleased to hear that you got back!
    We just need to prove WHERE they came from in Co Clare.
    Might need DNA to give us a help!
    Take care
    Virginia

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  51. Hello from Melbourne, Australia.

    I am searching for information about William Crowe, particularly about his father, Thomas and his mother Johanna Margaret ( Peggy) O’Donnell. I have spent many years searching, so please excuse the length of my post.

    William Crowe (born 1834-1837, died 1931) was born in The Glen, County Clare, Ireland, son of Thomas Crowe, farmer, and Margaret, née O’Donnell.
    Oral history says that he was educated at the near-by town of Upper Kilbane, where he grew up with his maternal grandparents; he was still young when his mother passed away.

    After his mother’s death, William Crowe moved in with his mother’s family, the O’Donnell’s of Kilbane. His aunt, Sarah O’Donnell (1826-1922) met William Conway (1826- 1924) from Limerick. After the bailiff seized the O’Donnell’s property in Kilbane, Sarah and William Conway emigrated to Australia on the ship The Australia, in 1853. William Crowe’s other aunt, Mary O’Donnell married a Vaughan and migrated to the U.S. William Crowe’s uncle, Con O’Donnell travelled with him to Australia.

    Following the example of his uncle (not sure if this was a Crowe, O’Donnell or Conway) William Crowe migrated to Australia and arrived in 1855. After first landing in Adelaide, South Australia, he sailed to the western district of Victoria, and disembarked at Belfast (Port Fairy, Victoria, Australia), before moving further east to Koroit where land was more easily available. Within two years he had purchased his first land—a single acre (0.4 ha). On 20 April 1863, he married Catherine Aldworth, Irish-born daughter of a Koroit farmer, at Belfast Catholic Church. They had nine sons and four daughters. William became mayor of Koroit for 6 terms.

    With some assistance we have found William’s baptism entry.
    Entry 1983 of the 1836ParishKillaloeDioceseKillaloeCountyClareCountryIreland states…
    First name(s)William, Last name: Crowe, Birth year-Baptism year: 1836, Baptism date? Mar. Glennagalliagh
    Father’s first name(s)Tom, last name: Crowe
    Mother’s first name(s) Peggy, Mother’s last name Donslon ( we think this is possibly O’ Donnell)
    Repository: National Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634738#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptism

    I have been to Killaloe, Kilbane ( St Mary’s and Gunnings Pub] Broadford, Classagh and Cloonfadda in an attempt to narrow down my search. I visited a farm in and saw where a family of Crowes lived on the slopes of the mountain as potato farmers ( I think Classagh townland.)

    I have read Sean Kierse’s Land and People of Killaloe Parish and have found the following:

    There was a Thomas Crowe in Lackareagh Beg townland in 1842. This townland borders or includes Glennagalligah (stated on William Crowe’s baptism record.) By 1852 Griffith’s does not mention Thomas, only a Patrick Crowe, so perhaps Thomas had passed away in the meantime? Does anyone know if Kilbane is in Lackareigh Beg?

    Aillemore Townland is part of The Glen, near Glennagalliagh. In the 1835 Tithe Applotment, Patrick and John Crowe were tenants. Conways were also tenants. Listed in 1842 is “Reps Thaddy Crowe.”

    Coumbrack townland tenants in 1866 and 1870 include “Reps. Thaddy Crowe.”

    Crowe’s appears as tenants in Classagh, The Glen, in 1832 and 1852, but no Thomas. I think this is where I visited the old Crowe homes on the farm.

    Cloonfadda townland is not in The Glen, but had many Crowe tenants, including James involved in salmon fishing and Denis maintaining the canal banks. A Thomas Crowe was an agent for Col. Wyndham O’Brien in 1845. As this is not Glennagalliagh, should I rule this Thomas out? I heard from an elderly resident of the Glen that the Crowes May have moved from the Glen to Cloonfadda.

    Can anyone tell me if a school, or building is still located in Upper Kilbane? This is where William was educated.

    Can anyone tell me if the O’Donnells or Conways still live near Kilbane?

    Thanks for any possible information or leads.

    Rob

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      1. Hi Karen,
        Thank you for this link. I really enjoyed the stories recorded, especially the field names and the stories of the mermaid stealing and drinking wine. I think that my ancestors were Pat and Con Crowe and that the stories recounted by Rody Cosgrove are in the correct area. Perhaps the O’Donnells are too?
        Do you live in Kilbane or do you have relatives there?
        Kind regards
        Rob

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      2. Yes please, That would be wonderful. Thank you My home email address can be passed on as well if appropriate. Thanks again Kind regards Rob

        Rob

        On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, 10:37 PM Family history across the seas wrote:

        > cassmob commented: “Rob, would you like me to pass your email on to Karen?” >

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      3. Hi Rob
        I actually live in Las Vegas Nevada (I’m a professor at UNLV). I’m sure I have relatives in Kilbane but I haven’t found any direct relatives yet. I’m in contact with some distant relations but I haven’t made the actual familial connections. The Vaughans you listed in your previous post may be related but those names are not in my family tree from what I can tell. My family that emigrated to the US consisted of two brothers and a sister…William, Catharine and John.
        They emigrated in 1865 to Brooklyn, NY. My gg grandfather, William, started a trucking company in Brooklyn. His obit is in the link below.

        http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/bmd/biog_notices_clare_brooklyn_eagle_1879_1954.htm

        If you want to correspond directly, we can swap emails.

        Best wishes
        Karen Danielsen

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      4. Hi Karen,
        John Vaughan married Mary O’Donnell and they went to the US. they had 4 sons, John, William, Michael, James.
        Do you know of them?
        Kind regards
        Rob

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    1. Hi Rob
      I’m the one who made that memorial on Find a grave, so I’m obviously aware of him.🙂 But thanks for the lead!

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  52. Hi Cass, my great grandfather John Tuohy (born 1894) and his fifteen siblings all were born & grew up in Clare, specifically in Scariff. Their dad, my great great grandfather Daniel Tuohy (born 1858) married Margaret Morrissey (born 1870). Daniel’s mum’s maiden name was O’Callaghan and Margaret’s mum’s was Farrell (birth years unknown).

    Of the 15 Tuohy siblings, five settled in Australia (NSW and Vic), one in the UK (stoke on trent) , six in the US (across Bronx, NY; River Forest, Illinois; Los Angeles; Louisville Kentucky), one unknown and two brothers lived in India. The Tuohy women married into the family names Malee, Crump, and Rutter.

    I’d be happy to speak to you Cass, if you feel any of this might be useful to you! Or anyone else who might happen upon this. Feel free to email me at brianna.tuohy@hotmail.com. Thank you!

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    1. My 2x great grandparents were Farrell/Morrissey and lived at Moynoe, outside Scarriff. One of the daughters (Elisabeth) migrated to Chicago where she married John Tuohy. All but one of the siblings migrated to Victoria. Have sent you an email. Small world.

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  53. Hi Cass
    My great grandparents came from County Clare. Many years ago I contacted the Clare Heritage centre. My great grandfather’s name – Patrick (Thomas) Kinnane & my great grandmother – Catherine Howley. The church registers for the baptisms of their children before they left Ireland were located in the parish of Doolin/ Lisdoonvarna which at the time comprised the old Civil parishes of Killilagh, Kilmore and Killeeny.
    The last child registered for baptism was Margaret Kinnane(1864) Apparently my grandfather – Patrick Kinnane was one year younger but I can find no record of his birth. They were living in QLD ( Darling Downs) in 1868 & arrived in Melbourne. But I can find no record of the ship they travelled on. Hope you can help.

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  54. I’m looking for the Immigration Deposit Journals
    for Co Clare. Initially Six-Mile-Bridge and Corrofin
    Looking for Michael Guerin and Mary Gand/ley from Corrofin area who migrated to South Australia on the Birman in 1840 with daughter Brigid Anastasia.
    Looking for deposits for Patrick, Catherine, Bridget, Lawrence and John Guerin who came to South Australia on the Hooghly 1846 to determine where they came from in Co Clare.
    Any help is very much appreciated
    Virginia

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